To be fair at my FILs funeral at the start of lockdown chairs were distanced and numbers limited but no attempt was made to stop people moving to comfort their family. This was obviously someone using their head not their heart. Does anyone really believe the police would be called and would fine anyone in these circumstances? Sadly some people are happy to abuse any power they can get.
It is indeed very worrying @punkdoc, we have been watching the rise of cases down here in the Toulouse hospitals, I really don't know how they are going to address all this.
Looks like Nottingham is about to go on local lockdown. Funnily enough I checked the Covid Hotspots Map last week and was surprised at how low the cases in the city were! What can possibly have happened between now and then? *cough* serco *cough* dodgy Excel spreadsheets
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour".
449 people out of 12 million is a tiny proportion of the population surely?
Our 14 day self imposed isolation after our holiday in North Wales has now ended and it seems we are in the clear. We are in our early seventies with no underlying health conditions. For the record, we drove there and stayed in a small hotel with just 5 bedrooms near Harlech. We went to cafes, shops and used public loos every day, went round Harlech Castle and a special steam train trip (including a carriage all to ourselves) for our wedding anniversary. We ate in the hotel every night (which was open to the public) although guests used one of three socially distanced rooms. After dinner we went back to our room. Every public place we went to was spotlessly clean, socially distanced and staff were very friendly. We were lucky with the weather so spent most of our time either outside or driving around. We didn't feel worried or frightened once. However having said that, I'm not sure we'd go now because of the upsurge in cases.
@Lizzie27. This is exactly why they are saying you can meet up with family and friends in restaurants as they are being very careful. I could hardly believe what I heard on news yesterday, someone said they could meet with family of 6 in the morning, then 6 different ones in the afternoon, 6 again in the evening and 6 again after the pub shuts,. Apparently they didn’t understand clearly what the rules are!!
Then there are the idiots who think their kids at school are mixing with 500 or so other kids, not so, no one has any common sense these days, but I suppose if you have to warn them their coffee’s hot then they haven’t.
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@Lizzie27. This is exactly why they are saying you can meet up with family and friends in restaurants as they are being very careful. I could hardly believe what I heard on news yesterday, someone said they could meet with family of 6 in the morning, then 6 different ones in the afternoon, 6 again in the evening and 6 again after the pub shuts,. Apparently they didn’t understand clearly what the rules are!!
Then there are the idiots who think their kids at school are mixing with 500 or so other kids, not so, no one has any common sense these days, but I suppose if you have to warn them their coffee’s hot then they haven’t.
I think that is the rule isn't it? AFAIK the rule of 6 applies to the size of the group, it does not restrict you to the same 6 or explicitly state how frequently you can meet with any given group.
When seeing friends and family you do not live with you should meet in groups of 6 or less.
In England, this limit of 6 includes children of any age.
You should also:
follow social distancing rules when you meet up
limit how many different people you see socially over a short period of time
meet people outdoors where practical: meeting people outdoors is
safer than meeting people indoors because fresh air provides better
ventilation
Limits on the number of people you can see socially have changed.
When meeting friends and family you do not live with (or have formed a
support bubble with) you must not meet in a group of more than 6,
indoors or outdoors. This is against the law
and the police will have the powers to enforce these legal limits,
including to issue fines (fixed penalty notices) of £200, doubling for
further breaches up to a maximum of £6,400.
Government has announced an initial £60 million to support additional
enforcement activity undertaken by local authorities and the police, in
addition to funding that has already been awarded.
There are exceptions where groups can be larger than 6 people. These include:
for work, or the provision of voluntary or charitable services
registered childcare, education or training
supervised activities provided for children, including wraparound care, youth groups and activities, and children’s playgroups
providing support to a vulnerable person
providing emergency assistance, and to avoid injury or illness or to escape risk of harm
for arrangements where children do not live in the same household as both their parents
fulfilling a legal obligation, such as attending court or jury service
elite sporting competition and training
wedding and civil partnership ceremonies and receptions – up to 15 people
funerals – up to 30 people. This does not include wakes, other than for religious ceremonial purposes
exercise classes, organised outdoor sport or licensed outdoor
physical activity, and supervised sporting activity (indoors or
outdoors) for under-18s
indoor organised team sports for disabled people
support groups of up to 15 participants – formally organised
groups to provide mutual aid, therapy or any other form of support. This
includes support to victims of crime, recovering addicts, new parents,
people with long-term illnesses, those facing issues relating to their
sexuality or gender, and those who have suffered bereavement.
protests – if organised in compliance with COVID-19 Secure guidance. All individuals must be socially distanced
Where a group includes someone covered by such an exception (for
example, someone who is working), they are not counted as part of the
gatherings limit. This means, for example, a tradesperson can go into a
household of six without breaching the limit, if they are there for
work.
The only time limitation I can see is the one highlighted...but as always, it's open to interpretation - what is 'a short period of time'? 10 minutes, an hour, 3 hours..a day, a week, a month?
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Nothing to worry about then???
When you don't even know who's in the team
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Our 14 day self imposed isolation after our holiday in North Wales has now ended and it seems we are in the clear. We are in our early seventies with no underlying health conditions. For the record, we drove there and stayed in a small hotel with just 5 bedrooms near Harlech. We went to cafes, shops and used public loos every day, went round Harlech Castle and a special steam train trip (including a carriage all to ourselves) for our wedding anniversary. We ate in the hotel every night (which was open to the public) although guests used one of three socially distanced rooms. After dinner we went back to our room. Every public place we went to was spotlessly clean, socially distanced and staff were very friendly. We were lucky with the weather so spent most of our time either outside or driving around. We didn't feel worried or frightened once.
However having said that, I'm not sure we'd go now because of the upsurge in cases.
I could hardly believe what I heard on news yesterday, someone said they could meet with family of 6 in the morning, then 6 different ones in the afternoon, 6 again in the evening and 6 again after the pub shuts,.
Apparently they didn’t understand clearly what the rules are!!
Then there are the idiots who think their kids at school are mixing with 500 or so other kids, not so, no one has any common sense these days, but I suppose if you have to warn them their coffee’s hot then they haven’t.
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2. Seeing friends and family
When seeing friends and family you do not live with you should meet in groups of 6 or less.
In England, this limit of 6 includes children of any age.
You should also:
Limits on the number of people you can see socially have changed. When meeting friends and family you do not live with (or have formed a support bubble with) you must not meet in a group of more than 6, indoors or outdoors. This is against the law and the police will have the powers to enforce these legal limits, including to issue fines (fixed penalty notices) of £200, doubling for further breaches up to a maximum of £6,400.
Government has announced an initial £60 million to support additional enforcement activity undertaken by local authorities and the police, in addition to funding that has already been awarded.
There are exceptions where groups can be larger than 6 people. These include:
Where a group includes someone covered by such an exception (for example, someone who is working), they are not counted as part of the gatherings limit. This means, for example, a tradesperson can go into a household of six without breaching the limit, if they are there for work.
More information can be found on our Frequently Asked Questions page.
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The only time limitation I can see is the one highlighted...but as always, it's open to interpretation - what is 'a short period of time'? 10 minutes, an hour, 3 hours..a day, a week, a month?