....I like to hibernate from mid Dec to mid Feb... no gardening...I look forward to it really... ...I don't like to promote one vendor over the others - they all need our business - but I can't help give credit where it's due... and this is why I use Trevor White Roses wherever possible.... they're just huge and exceed anything else I ever get...
...getting back to planting recommendations... I made a comparison out of interest... RHS = graft union at soil level Harkness Roses = soil level or a little above... Style Roses = above soil level David Austin Roses = 2 inches below Peter Beales Roses = 1 inch below Trevor White Roses = 3 or 4 cms below
...take your pick.. Beales and White would be more my line...
@Mr. Vine Eye ... I've heard mixed reviews, the main concern is with the fading blooms... however, it's powerfully fragrant apparently and otherwise it seems a great rose to add to any collection... ..I don't know if anyone is aware of this UK site, I find it very useful and interesting as they grow and review so many DA roses, and are quite frank about them... I often find myself agreeing in the main, or disagreeing occasionally...
Haha! Apologies for the crude iPad drawing! Meant to be my garden but not at all to scale. I’ve marked the position of other roses with the names, the circles are showing possible spots for roses to go.
Theres a few roses that I’m considering getting.
Emily Bronte Eustacia Vye Vanessa Bell The Poet’s wife Golden Celebration Roald Dahl The Ancient Mariner Young Lycidas
I’d maybe get 3 or 4 - One of them, if I put it on the Orange planting circle could be allowed to grow reasonably wide and tall. But the other planting spots the roses would need to be 3ft ish or less ideally - height wise anyway, because otherwise they’d be obscuring other things.
Any thoughts much appreciated
@Marlorena thank you for that link, just spotted while typing this
@Alchemist, Well I think they prefer a summer climate that is cooler than mine, that’s for sure! They are not very heat tolerant - the blooms are less prolific, paler and sometimes frazzle in the sun. They also get dreadful blackspot when it’s humid, which it often is in summer. Even those that Austin states are good for a ‘warm climate’ still benefit from afternoon shade and many throw up ridiculously long octopus canes and want to climb.
Harlow Carr and Munstead Wood, however, are both stunted here, which is interesting that they respond so differently to the rest. Although they are both little thorny monsters, the blooms of MW are the saving grace - not as deep and rich as many of the photos posted on this thread, but still fab.
I am going for mostly floribundas and a few old roses (researched and selected for heat/disease tolerance) for my next rose bed. Judging by this year’s limited trials, these types seem to do much better here.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Mr. Vine Eye.... I think you need to get ready to move house... lol... won't be long before you need half an acre, like some of us mad hatters..
..the largest growers there are The Ancient Mariner which is a favourite of mine... allow 6 x 5 foot after 3 years.. and probably Golden Celebration the same...
The Poet's Wife is a fabulous yellow with continuous bloom but it's very gangly and wide spreading... not the easiest to manage.. needs staking...
...such a difficult choice for your orange spot... perhaps try Emily B.. it seems worth it for the scent alone.. and I'd be looking at 5 x 5 foot for this rose...
I've always got the allotment! It was always intended to be part extended garden as well as a veg patch.
I had it in my head that Emily Bronte was a shorter one - I was thinking maybe that could go in the patch near the extension, because that's east facing so maybe would help with the fading? But if she wants to get large like you suggest then that would be unsuitable for that area.
I think I'm definitely going to get Emily Bronte and Eustacia Vye because they look really different to the others that I have. With the garden only being small I want as much variety as possible.
I really like the look of Vanessa Bell but the colour must be very similar to Malvern Hills so wouldn't want her on the same side.
Thought Dahl might be a good one for a pot but apparently it doesn't have much scent? OR to go near Malvern Hills as a contrasting colour.
Im shocked that Royal Jubilee only got 6.7 on that review site!
..yes, take no notice of that... I think they are premature with their reviews, sometimes only after 1 season.... they have Poet's Wife down as a small shrub for front of border.... well, not really... you would soon be moving it.. otherwise some good info..
….no, R Dahl doesn't have much scent apparently...I could live without that one.. and you have a lot of yellow/cream going on there already... I'm surprised you haven't got Gabriel Oak down, which is just fabulous, and such a rich colour.. it's red with lilac edges... or deep pink with light pink edging … it's a stand out colour which in my opinion you could do with... and heavenly scented... Young Lycidas has a good scent but flops somewhat which could irritate... I would grow it in a pot..
...I would be pleased to grow all those on your list except possibly R Dahl, for some reason it just doesn't do much for me... for a compact, scented yellow I'd probably choose 'Charles Darwin' actually. ..and remember... you could always hang on until next March.. there will be new ones released, and discounted during the month... might see something you prefer even more... I always keep a space or a pot free just in case..
...I wanted an allotment to grow more roses, but it didn't happen... I think it's a fun thing to do if you can manage it..
1. Munstead Wood [no. 2]... 2. Gabriel Oak... 3..The Ancient Mariner... 4... Eustacia Vye... 5...Emily Bronte.. Y Lycidas and V Bell are both small enough for pots.. . it's good to repeat a rose sometimes, like M Wood...[opposite sides of your lawn]
...that's what I would do I think, but your call...
My roses from Trevor White, I am really impressed, these are the longest roots I've seen so far.
And some autumn blooms on Scarborough Fair, no too bad after weeks of bad weather.
I think it has become my favourite DA and one of the top three most loved roses in my garden. It's its first year and: - it has grown to be approx. 105cm wide and 75cm tall with lovely airy graceful habit. - it still has leaves - it gave me two good flushes. The first flush started in late June and lasted between 5 and 6 weeks (4 weeks being totally covered with flowers, not some scattered blooms here and there). The second flush started in late September so it has been over 6 weeks now and there are still buds. If this gets better, this rose will flower almost continuously.
Here it is in summer (16/7), it was maybe 70x60cm around that time:
If I get bored with trying new roses one day, I will do Scarborough Fair hedge in my front garden.
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...I don't like to promote one vendor over the others - they all need our business - but I can't help give credit where it's due... and this is why I use Trevor White Roses wherever possible.... they're just huge and exceed anything else I ever get...
...getting back to planting recommendations... I made a comparison out of interest...
RHS = graft union at soil level
Harkness Roses = soil level or a little above...
Style Roses = above soil level
David Austin Roses = 2 inches below
Peter Beales Roses = 1 inch below
Trevor White Roses = 3 or 4 cms below
...take your pick.. Beales and White would be more my line...
..I don't know if anyone is aware of this UK site, I find it very useful and interesting as they grow and review so many DA roses, and are quite frank about them... I often find myself agreeing in the main, or disagreeing occasionally...
...here's their review of 'Emily Bronte'... it's a good read... as are all the others they review...
https://rightroses.com/emily-bronte
Haha! Apologies for the crude iPad drawing! Meant to be my garden but not at all to scale. I’ve marked the position of other roses with the names, the circles are showing possible spots for roses to go.
Theres a few roses that I’m considering getting.
Emily Bronte
Eustacia Vye
Vanessa Bell
The Poet’s wife
Golden Celebration
Roald Dahl
The Ancient Mariner
Young Lycidas
I’d maybe get 3 or 4 - One of them, if I put it on the Orange planting circle could be allowed to grow reasonably wide and tall. But the other planting spots the roses would need to be 3ft ish or less ideally - height wise anyway, because otherwise they’d be obscuring other things.
Any thoughts much appreciated
@Marlorena thank you for that link, just spotted while typing this
Harlow Carr and Munstead Wood, however, are both stunted here, which is interesting that they respond so differently to the rest. Although they are both little thorny monsters, the blooms of MW are the saving grace - not as deep and rich as many of the photos posted on this thread, but still fab.
I am going for mostly floribundas and a few old roses (researched and selected for heat/disease tolerance) for my next rose bed. Judging by this year’s limited trials, these types seem to do much better here.
..the largest growers there are The Ancient Mariner which is a favourite of mine... allow 6 x 5 foot after 3 years..
and probably Golden Celebration the same...
The Poet's Wife is a fabulous yellow with continuous bloom but it's very gangly and wide spreading... not the easiest to manage.. needs staking...
...such a difficult choice for your orange spot... perhaps try Emily B.. it seems worth it for the scent alone.. and I'd be looking at 5 x 5 foot for this rose...
I've always got the allotment! It was always intended to be part extended garden as well as a veg patch.
I had it in my head that Emily Bronte was a shorter one - I was thinking maybe that could go in the patch near the extension, because that's east facing so maybe would help with the fading? But if she wants to get large like you suggest then that would be unsuitable for that area.
I think I'm definitely going to get Emily Bronte and Eustacia Vye because they look really different to the others that I have. With the garden only being small I want as much variety as possible.
I really like the look of Vanessa Bell but the colour must be very similar to Malvern Hills so wouldn't want her on the same side.
Thought Dahl might be a good one for a pot but apparently it doesn't have much scent? OR to go near Malvern Hills as a contrasting colour.
Im shocked that Royal Jubilee only got 6.7 on that review site!
….no, R Dahl doesn't have much scent apparently...I could live without that one.. and you have a lot of yellow/cream going on there already... I'm surprised you haven't got Gabriel Oak down, which is just fabulous, and such a rich colour.. it's red with lilac edges... or deep pink with light pink edging … it's a stand out colour which in my opinion you could do with... and heavenly scented... Young Lycidas has a good scent but flops somewhat which could irritate... I would grow it in a pot..
...I would be pleased to grow all those on your list except possibly R Dahl, for some reason it just doesn't do much for me... for a compact, scented yellow I'd probably choose 'Charles Darwin' actually.
..and remember... you could always hang on until next March.. there will be new ones released, and discounted during the month... might see something you prefer even more... I always keep a space or a pot free just in case..
...I wanted an allotment to grow more roses, but it didn't happen... I think it's a fun thing to do if you can manage it..
1. Munstead Wood [no. 2]... 2. Gabriel Oak... 3..The Ancient Mariner... 4... Eustacia Vye... 5...Emily Bronte.. Y Lycidas and V Bell are both small enough for pots.. . it's good to repeat a rose sometimes, like M Wood...[opposite sides of your lawn]
...that's what I would do I think, but your call...
- it has grown to be approx. 105cm wide and 75cm tall with lovely airy graceful habit.
- it still has leaves
- it gave me two good flushes. The first flush started in late June and lasted between 5 and 6 weeks (4 weeks being totally covered with flowers, not some scattered blooms here and there). The second flush started in late September so it has been over 6 weeks now and there are still buds.
If this gets better, this rose will flower almost continuously.