@Obelixx Lucky you . Would like to hear more, as I had Ghislaine on a shortlist for being relatively thornless last year, ( I got a couple of others instead) also the repeat flowering aspect appealed. I chose some others as the photo I saw of Ghislaine appeared she did have thorns? Though the description sounded otherwise.
Yes I grow a deep pink rose with The G.G. and those colours go well together... most people would probably recommend 'Gertrude Jekyll' to you, because it's so popular.. when in bloom there's not much to compete with it, but it has a number of faults in my view... one is that when not flowering, it is one plug ugly rose..
As I think I said upthread, I don't grow 'Strawberry Hill' but I liked its scent very much and I've heard good things about it...
For the height and width you have, my first choice would be 'Royal Jubilee'... which I highlighted on page 7 here.. because it has everything... fine healthy foliage, maroon edged... large sweetly scented flowers, and it's always flowering constantly from end of May, and not too thorny.. it is not at its best in year 1, the blooms can flop, it gets better in year 2 and takes off in year 3 when it shows us what it can do, and the flowers no long flop around but face upwards and outwards.. it's also amazingly vigorous with masses of flowers all summer..
I thought you had settled on 'Mortimer Sackler' ? I seem to remember you had this one short listed...
If you are not in any hurry, you might like to wait until end February/ early March, which is still early enough to plant bare root roses, as Austins will bring out their new varieties for 2019 at that time, and will be for sale on their website... You might see something new that you prefer... with the recent passing of David Austin Snr. there may well be an exceptional variety they will bring out in commemoration... I don't know, just guessing... but I'm hanging on for that before I plant anything else this winter...
Of course you don't have to choose an Austin, there are so many out there, which is the trouble with pink roses, such choice... 'Lavender Lassie'...'Parade'..'Pink Perpetue' and a newish one from Beales called 'Sandringham'... all great roses in their own way..
I do still like Mortimer Sackler. I'm planning on doing some planting at the front of the house.
its currently just paved all over and as its a small area and we have two cars there isn't really much I can do with it. However I am planning on lifting some of the pavers nearest to the house and planting climbers there to go up the walls.
Its an area that would be walked past regularly so if I'm to use roses they need to be low in thorns so I was planning to possibly use Mortimer Sackler as part of that.
In pictures it looks very pale so I'd rather have a darker colour to go with the Generous Gardener.
Id like to plant a Viticella clematis in the corner where the fence goes past the shed that can grow into both roses.
I like the sound of Royal Jubilee a lot and it looks very pretty. That's a definite on the shortlist. As you say - I'd like plants that look good even when not in flower.
Im not set on only buying Austin roses by any means. It's just that there's such a bewildering array of roses available online - it's an easy place to look and also easy to find gardeners opinions on them.
I've looked in my local garden centres but they don't have a huge amount of choice and many of them are just styled and named as roses for particular gifts, like wedding anniversaries.
€7.00 from Dutch supplier, www.tuincentrumlottum.com if you are interested @Obelixx - I bought 10 bare root roses from them, mostly Austin’s. Postage to Spain was €14 for the 10. All grew well and got lots of blooms in their first year, actually KG flowered the least, but lovely pure white blooms, so be interesting to see how it fares next year, after the frosts!
So how does this work? How can that Dutch site sell Austin Roses for €7 when they are £17.50 for us from Austin's?
Economies of scale? They make less profit? Don't know how they do it @gutties. Ive had a Lady Emma Hamilton from DA direct and then more from the Dutch supplier to make a grouping and they all look the same and all others seem identical to the DAs. I recall Marlorena saying you can get first, second class roses etc., depending on how many healthy canes on the plant, so perhaps these are second class, but can’t say I noticed any difference so far in appearance, growth or bloom performance...
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Tuincentrum Lottum sell excellent first class roses, I've seen them, huge bare roots... if I needed a ton of roses for a large garden, I would be happy to order from them, but if you only want one or two, you have to pay for 10 as a minimum.. I'm not sure if you can order less than 10.. They have a huge inventory, including many older Austin's that are no longer offered here... a bone of contention for some of us, as Austin in England are often very quick to remove a rose and then it becomes obsolete... 'Heathcliff' for instance only came out in 2012 yet within 5 years it was gone..
I'll try and answer a couple of questions posed above... one of the main reasons for the difference in prices I would say is in the Guarantee.. Austin here offers a 5 year no quibble guarantee on their roses.. that costs money.. I have found them to be excellent in sticking to this guarantee.. it must cost them a small fortune... 'TL' on the other hand don't appear to offer any guarantee at all from what I can see...
You might also notice they sell some of their Austin roses under code names.. for instance if you want 'Graham Thomas' rose it's sold as 'Ausmas'... this means they don't pay royalties to Austin for these roses, hence the 5 Euro cost per rose... Roses are patented, patents last for 20 years I think.. during which time royalties have to be paid.. but I think this is one way of getting around it...
I've just edited out here a paragraph I wrote about the rootstocks they use as I've checked my notes and I needed to make a correction.. they do use 3 rootstocks but one is the same as we have here.. the other two are also perfectly acceptable.. 'Schmidt's Ideal' which is a nice rootstock I've had before, and R canina inermis 'Clou'.. which is better than the wild canina version.. so nothing wrong with those...
I also made a note that I would have to pay a bank transfer fee, so if that's still the case it's an added expenditure to consider...
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I chose some others as the photo I saw of Ghislaine appeared she did have thorns? Though the description sounded otherwise.
As I think I said upthread, I don't grow 'Strawberry Hill' but I liked its scent very much and I've heard good things about it...
For the height and width you have, my first choice would be 'Royal Jubilee'... which I highlighted on page 7 here.. because it has everything... fine healthy foliage, maroon edged... large sweetly scented flowers, and it's always flowering constantly from end of May, and not too thorny.. it is not at its best in year 1, the blooms can flop, it gets better in year 2 and takes off in year 3 when it shows us what it can do, and the flowers no long flop around but face upwards and outwards.. it's also amazingly vigorous with masses of flowers all summer..
I thought you had settled on 'Mortimer Sackler' ? I seem to remember you had this one short listed...
If you are not in any hurry, you might like to wait until end February/ early March, which is still early enough to plant bare root roses, as Austins will bring out their new varieties for 2019 at that time, and will be for sale on their website... You might see something new that you prefer... with the recent passing of David Austin Snr. there may well be an exceptional variety they will bring out in commemoration... I don't know, just guessing... but I'm hanging on for that before I plant anything else this winter...
Of course you don't have to choose an Austin, there are so many out there, which is the trouble with pink roses, such choice... 'Lavender Lassie'...'Parade'..'Pink Perpetue' and a newish one from Beales called 'Sandringham'... all great roses in their own way..
its currently just paved all over and as its a small area and we have two cars there isn't really much I can do with it. However I am planning on lifting some of the pavers nearest to the house and planting climbers there to go up the walls.
Its an area that would be walked past regularly so if I'm to use roses they need to be low in thorns so I was planning to possibly use Mortimer Sackler as part of that.
In pictures it looks very pale so I'd rather have a darker colour to go with the Generous Gardener.
Id like to plant a Viticella clematis in the corner where the fence goes past the shed that can grow into both roses.
I like the sound of Royal Jubilee a lot and it looks very pretty. That's a definite on the shortlist. As you say - I'd like plants that look good even when not in flower.
Im not set on only buying Austin roses by any means. It's just that there's such a bewildering array of roses available online - it's an easy place to look and also easy to find gardeners opinions on them.
I've looked in my local garden centres but they don't have a huge amount of choice and many of them are just styled and named as roses for particular gifts, like wedding anniversaries.
Did the roses arrive well packaged?
They have a huge inventory, including many older Austin's that are no longer offered here... a bone of contention for some of us, as Austin in England are often very quick to remove a rose and then it becomes obsolete... 'Heathcliff' for instance only came out in 2012 yet within 5 years it was gone..
I'll try and answer a couple of questions posed above... one of the main reasons for the difference in prices I would say is in the Guarantee.. Austin here offers a 5 year no quibble guarantee on their roses.. that costs money.. I have found them to be excellent in sticking to this guarantee.. it must cost them a small fortune... 'TL' on the other hand don't appear to offer any guarantee at all from what I can see...
You might also notice they sell some of their Austin roses under code names.. for instance if you want 'Graham Thomas' rose it's sold as 'Ausmas'... this means they don't pay royalties to Austin for these roses, hence the 5 Euro cost per rose... Roses are patented, patents last for 20 years I think.. during which time royalties have to be paid..
but I think this is one way of getting around it...
I've just edited out here a paragraph I wrote about the rootstocks they use as I've checked my notes and I needed to make a correction.. they do use 3 rootstocks but one is the same as we have here.. the other two are also perfectly acceptable.. 'Schmidt's Ideal' which is a nice rootstock I've had before, and R canina inermis 'Clou'.. which is better than the wild canina version.. so nothing wrong with those...
I also made a note that I would have to pay a bank transfer fee, so if that's still the case it's an added expenditure to consider...