@Lizzie27 ...I know what you mean Lizzie, I like to see the stamens on a rose... 'Penelope' is one I used to have, unusual blush pink hips... if I had the room I'd get it again.. and 'Ispahan' oh that's one of my old favourites, very easy to strike from cuttings.. I used to peg the canes to get more flowers..
@Janie B ..something to think about Janie... you have an already beautiful garden...
..thanks for checking in here both... I seem to have taken over this thread, so I'll just post a few more pics and leave it at that... it wasn't my intention, but these are mostly all climbing roses so at least I'm sticking to the theme...
Here are some of my rarest roses... 3 are climbers.. None are available in this country and for all I know I might be the only one to have them here.. you would have to be a wacky rosarian collector to go to the trouble.. as not all are terribly garden worthy..
..this is 'Triomphe des Noisettes'.. really a hybrid perpetual from the late 19thC. France.. I keep it because of its huge blooms and wonderful scent.. only flowers late May/June.. very lanky climber..
''L19 Laos''.. found rose, in a garden in Laos about 20 years ago.. passed to Beijing Botanic Garden where it got imported to Europe.. I got it from France.. it's a climbing China rose probably of some antiquity.. scented, small blooms from almost black buds.. grows to 6 foot or so..
''Secret Garden Musk Climber'' found, Northern California, garden now bulldozed but cuttings were taken and propagated.. eventually found its way to Europe. I imported from Germany... scented of cloves.. close to Rosa Moschata, the Musk Rose, but not the same, the hips are different for one thing.. flowers all summer.. not terribly hardy, might not survive in far north..
'Marie Nabonnand' deliciously scented frilly blooms from this French climbing Hybrid Tea that used to be sold here by the incorrect name of 'Monsieur Tillier', which is a different rose altogether.. This rose from 1940 was originally called 'Philippe Petain', but because he collaborated with the Germans that produced the Vichy government, they changed the name... it's one of my favourite roses... not so rare as the others here..
'Conditorum'... an old Gallica rose from Shakespeare's time... good for culinary purposes, hence the name..
...this is ''Odee's Pink''.. found, remote west Texas, U.S. in a garden of the Odee family... those who know these things, claim it might be the long lost old French China rose called 'Iréne Watts'.. it does conform to early descriptions of that rose, which was believed lost to cultivation.. [the rose sold by Beales and others under this name is incorrect, that's 'Pink Gruss an Aachen'.] but that's another story.. and something they don't want you to know about... it's the name that sells..
Oh I'm finding it really interesting reading all of this and looking at the photos.
I haven't decided yet @Marlorena - Unless there's a really obvious first choice I always struggle with purchasing decisions like this.
i popped to my nearest garden centres but obviously the roses don't look like much at the moment - but I could at least get an idea of how thorny they were. There also wasn't much of a selection. Although I did find a clematis viticella - Etoile Viollete which looked really pretty.
looking at the wall I'm wanting to cover, the side with the French doors, I think I'm going to need a rose that's quite bendy because the space is narrow. It's 50cm between the edge of the wall and the door at its narrowest. So I need something that I can wind up the wall between wires and get growth all the way up.
otherwise as you suggested I'll just have bare canes running up the wall.
so I need a climber that's pliable or a repeat rambler perhaps.
ive read a lot of people saying that the growth on Generous Gardener is very stiff and upright.
So I'm wondering whether I should plant a rambler like Lady of the Lake or Malvern Hills next to the wall. Then put Mortimer Sackler or Generous Gardener on the fence in shade.
and possibly skip planting the third rose on the other side of the wall until I see how the others do.
The roses will be Birthday/Christmas presents from my parents. I've planted a Wisteria this Autumn already which was part of it. Last year they bought me my 1 year old apple tree for Christmas - Kidd's orange red which I'm growing on the brick wall at the back of the garden as a four tiered espalier.
I don't think you need rush your decision... nurseries like Austins will be discounting roses towards the end of the season, next March, still time to plant bare root roses, and whatever you put in now will only make a bit of root growth between now and then..
Also they release new roses next Feb I think, even though they don't get officially released until the Chelsea flower Show in May, you can purchase early and get planted long before then.. they might have something new that takes your fancy.. I always leave a space free in case I want one..
Kidd's Orange Red I've heard is a lovely apple... I was going to order a couple but haven't got around to it yet..
Here's a photo of clematis 'Etoile Violette'... it's pretty rampant when it takes off.. will go well with pink or yellow roses...
Hi Marlorena, I just love that first pic of the red rose - looks divine. My Isaphan came from the Bannister's garden near Bristol - they had some lovely plants there. It grows up a rose arch and I'm now training it into the nearby magnolia to hopefully hide a bare patch. If you want to sign off this thread though, don't worry about replying!
Right I've just gone for it. I've ordered Malvern Hills to grow across the extension - and Generous Gardener to go on the fence. I was struggling choosing between that and Sackler but I think I prefer the look of the blooms on GG.
eventually once they're established I look into planting clematis with them. Like a darker pink with GG and maybe the Etoile Viollete with Malvern Hills.
Held off buying a third one for now. There is one spot where I could fit another shrub or short climber, like Strawberry Hill or another, but I'll see what I can get cheaply from Garden Centres as I saw some nice roses there for about half the price of the David Austin ones.
I'll update with some pics of them when I've planted and also next year when they've hopefully made some growth!
Good luck with your roses, @Mr. Vine Eye , I look forward to seeing the progress. And thanks from me too to everyone for all the invaluable rose info and advice!
Thanks for getting back and letting us know, I'm delighted you made your final choices... best of luck with your roses, and always remember the 3 year rule - sleep, creep... leap!... that's what they do.... best wishes...
..your Ispahans must be huge Janie... I don't think mine ever got that big.. going to look just great..
Just been re-reading this thread as I have been given a Ghislaine de Féligonde baby. Lucky me. Love the look of her and looking forward to letting her run rampant somewhere but first she'll spend a year in a pot growing her roots.
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...I know what you mean Lizzie, I like to see the stamens on a rose... 'Penelope' is one I used to have, unusual blush pink hips... if I had the room I'd get it again.. and 'Ispahan' oh that's one of my old favourites, very easy to strike from cuttings.. I used to peg the canes to get more flowers..
@Janie B
..something to think about Janie... you have an already beautiful garden...
..thanks for checking in here both... I seem to have taken over this thread, so I'll just post a few more pics and leave it at that... it wasn't my intention, but these are mostly all climbing roses so at least I'm sticking to the theme...
..this is 'Triomphe des Noisettes'.. really a hybrid perpetual from the late 19thC. France.. I keep it because of its huge blooms and wonderful scent.. only flowers late May/June.. very lanky climber..
''L19 Laos''.. found rose, in a garden in Laos about 20 years ago.. passed to Beijing Botanic Garden where it got imported to Europe.. I got it from France.. it's a climbing China rose probably of some antiquity.. scented, small blooms from almost black buds.. grows to 6 foot or so..
''Secret Garden Musk Climber'' found, Northern California, garden now bulldozed but cuttings were taken and propagated.. eventually found its way to Europe. I imported from Germany... scented of cloves.. close to Rosa Moschata, the Musk Rose, but not the same, the hips are different for one thing.. flowers all summer.. not terribly hardy, might not survive in far north..
'Marie Nabonnand' deliciously scented frilly blooms from this French climbing Hybrid Tea that used to be sold here by the incorrect name of 'Monsieur Tillier', which is a different rose altogether.. This rose from 1940 was originally called 'Philippe Petain', but because he collaborated with the Germans that produced the Vichy government, they changed the name... it's one of my favourite roses... not so rare as the others here..
'Conditorum'... an old Gallica rose from Shakespeare's time... good for culinary purposes, hence the name..
...this is ''Odee's Pink''.. found, remote west Texas, U.S. in a garden of the Odee family... those who know these things, claim it might be the long lost old French China rose called 'Iréne Watts'.. it does conform to early descriptions of that rose, which was believed lost to cultivation.. [the rose sold by Beales and others under this name is incorrect, that's 'Pink Gruss an Aachen'.] but that's another story.. and something they don't want you to know about... it's the name that sells..
Oh I'm finding it really interesting reading all of this and looking at the photos.
I haven't decided yet @Marlorena - Unless there's a really obvious first choice I always struggle with purchasing decisions like this.
i popped to my nearest garden centres but obviously the roses don't look like much at the moment - but I could at least get an idea of how thorny they were. There also wasn't much of a selection. Although I did find a clematis viticella - Etoile Viollete which looked really pretty.
looking at the wall I'm wanting to cover, the side with the French doors, I think I'm going to need a rose that's quite bendy because the space is narrow. It's 50cm between the edge of the wall and the door at its narrowest. So I need something that I can wind up the wall between wires and get growth all the way up.
otherwise as you suggested I'll just have bare canes running up the wall.
so I need a climber that's pliable or a repeat rambler perhaps.
ive read a lot of people saying that the growth on Generous Gardener is very stiff and upright.
So I'm wondering whether I should plant a rambler like Lady of the Lake or Malvern Hills next to the wall. Then put Mortimer Sackler or Generous Gardener on the fence in shade.
and possibly skip planting the third rose on the other side of the wall until I see how the others do.
The roses will be Birthday/Christmas presents from my parents. I've planted a Wisteria this Autumn already which was part of it. Last year they bought me my 1 year old apple tree for Christmas - Kidd's orange red which I'm growing on the brick wall at the back of the garden as a four tiered espalier.
I don't think you need rush your decision... nurseries like Austins will be discounting roses towards the end of the season, next March, still time to plant bare root roses, and whatever you put in now will only make a bit of root growth between now and then..
Also they release new roses next Feb I think, even though they don't get officially released until the Chelsea flower Show in May, you can purchase early and get planted long before then.. they might have something new that takes your fancy.. I always leave a space free in case I want one..
Kidd's Orange Red I've heard is a lovely apple... I was going to order a couple but haven't got around to it yet..
Here's a photo of clematis 'Etoile Violette'... it's pretty rampant when it takes off.. will go well with pink or yellow roses...
eventually once they're established I look into planting clematis with them. Like a darker pink with GG and maybe the Etoile Viollete with Malvern Hills.
Held off buying a third one for now. There is one spot where I could fit another shrub or short climber, like Strawberry Hill or another, but I'll see what I can get cheaply from Garden Centres as I saw some nice roses there for about half the price of the David Austin ones.
I'll update with some pics of them when I've planted and also next year when they've hopefully made some growth!
Thanks for all the help
..your Ispahans must be huge Janie... I don't think mine ever got that big.. going to look just great..