..old Herr Riggers... oh gosh that one takes me back... not much scent as I recall, but a strong flash of red all summer... huge plant.. too rampant for me these days, and to be slightly off, I never found it very...um..romantic?.. and I prefer 'Gruss an Teplitz' [Geschwind, Austria-Hungary 1897].. for my favoured red climbing rose, as it has that old world scent so many of us enjoy... some of these German names can be offputting commercially for English speakers...
This is 'Wild Rover'... a climbing Floribunda, with a scent of cloves, that wafts nearby.. I love this rose, it has very few thorns, climbs to 10 feet, huge glossy leaves... it starts out purple, changes to maroon, and in hot weather to orange/red..
This single flowered white rose, is 'Kew Gardens'... it opens with a yellow centre before turning white... it's totally thornless and makes a magnificent shrub... you normally see it as a short rose in a pot, or a hedge, but you can give it its head and allow it to grow much larger... this is about 8 x 6 foot, and it then throws out a rambling cane... I cut that out, but next time I'll leave it and see where it takes me.. I absolutely adore this beautiful rose...
This white rose in amongst the pink, is 'Desdemona', which you would usually see as a small shrub rose about 4 x 3 foot max... it has a nice scent to it, and blooms all summer.. I have a hedge of it at that height full of blooms right now... but if you place it where it needs to reach for the sun, it will throw up a climbing cane as you can see here.. and blooms its head off... some of the flowers are huge when grown this way..
...the pink rose is 'Mme. Lauriol de Barny' [Bourbon 1868].. also a climber...
Marlorena, All your roses look very healthy - do you spray them all against black spot?
May I ask your opinion on "New Dawn"? I have it on a shed, believing it to be a pliable climber, easily trained but I find it anything but, very stiff strong stems that grow straight up. In fact it's very like my HT "Royal William" in habit which gets to about 5ft every year. I love the roses on the "New Dawn" but do wonder sometimes whether it is a different rose altogether (it was a freebie from a magazine!).
..thank you.. and no, I don't spray roses, not in 35 years.. and try to discourage it, but gardeners want pristine appearance, so they resort to sprays..encouraged by vendors, t.v. gardeners, Bayer of course... writers etc... ... it has been found to be detrimental to the roots of roses, interfering with the mycorrhizae.. and weakens the plant over time, so more spraying is needed... a vicious circle... I accept leaf discolouration, even defoliation.. if it does this I just throw a bucket of water over the roots, and it soon regrows with fresh healthy leaves..
Black spot, mildew and all that, doesn't erupt in my garden until late June, so the first main flush is more or less over by then...
That doesn't sound like 'New Dawn' to me... it's very pliable and a rampant rambler to 20 foot or so... I no longer have it because many of us are finding that it seems to have reverted to its parent, which is a once blooming rambler, not the repeating rose that 'New Dawn' is supposed to be... if you can show me a photo of your rose I might be able to come up with something...?
I've been out measuring the extension wall today and also fixing the vine eyes on the north facing fence. It's slotted concrete posts so I'm having to drill into the concrete which isn't a fun or easy job, but I've done 16 of the 18 holes now. Gave up on the last two as I'd run out of puff.
I wasn't sure whether Mortimer Sackler would grow large enough to cover the area I want it to. It's about 8 feet, wonky vertical from the ground to the top of the door, then I'd like it to go over the door which would be another 4-5 feet horizontal.
It says that it'll do up to 12ft on the website.
@Marlorena Does Mortimer throw up many long canes and are they very stiff or easy to train?
I definitely want Generous Gardener - is it very thorny?
if it is then that one can go on the side away from the door.
I had a look at Ramblers and saw Lady of the Lake which looks pretty and might suit if Sackler is too short.
I also wondered from anyone who has grown Teasing Georgia as a climber - what is it like for repeat flowering? Just the two main flushes or do you get some flowers through summer?
Thanks Marlorena. Interesting you never spray for black spot. I don't usually, but did start this year before my NGS opening as I wanted to keep them pristine! Will follow your advise and chuck water on them next year. I will see if I've got any photos of my "New Dawn" on the desktop computer and post again later.
'Mortimer Sackler' will achieve that height, I feel confident about that, I had to prune to keep it 8 or 9 feet, it wanted to go much taller, and the top part is reasonably flexible, not so much as a rambler would be, but doable.. I've seen it trained over an arch..
The difference here is that it will take a bit longer to get to your 12 foot than a rambler would, because they throw out longer canes early on, so your rambler might get there within a season, whereas 'MS' will take a year or two longer than that... depends what kind of a hurry you're in..
'The Generous Gardener' does have quite a few thorns, I would say average, as I've got and seen a lot worse in that department... The photo here below is of a climbing cane it sent up a few weeks ago, so it gives you an idea of the thorns... as I say, I've seen a lot worse... [yes you 'Gertrude Jekyll']..
..talking of thorns... this is what I call thorny... this cane is from one of Austin's largest shrub roses, which really should carry a warning with it... 'The Lark Ascending'.. a most beautiful rose, with apricot flowers that float like Water Lilies all over the plant from top to toe... stunning, if you can put up with 10 foot of this..
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This is 'Wild Rover'... a climbing Floribunda, with a scent of cloves, that wafts nearby.. I love this rose, it has very few thorns, climbs to 10 feet, huge glossy leaves... it starts out purple, changes to maroon, and in hot weather to orange/red..
..reaching for the sky..
...the pink rose is 'Mme. Lauriol de Barny' [Bourbon 1868].. also a climber...
May I ask your opinion on "New Dawn"? I have it on a shed, believing it to be a pliable climber, easily trained but I find it anything but, very stiff strong stems that grow straight up. In fact it's very like my HT "Royal William" in habit which gets to about 5ft every year. I love the roses on the "New Dawn" but do wonder sometimes whether it is a different rose altogether (it was a freebie from a magazine!).
Hi Lizzie,
..thank you.. and no, I don't spray roses, not in 35 years.. and try to discourage it, but gardeners want pristine appearance, so they resort to sprays..encouraged by vendors, t.v. gardeners, Bayer of course... writers etc...
... it has been found to be detrimental to the roots of roses, interfering with the mycorrhizae.. and weakens the plant over time, so more spraying is needed... a vicious circle... I accept leaf discolouration, even defoliation.. if it does this I just throw a bucket of water over the roots, and it soon regrows with fresh healthy leaves..
Black spot, mildew and all that, doesn't erupt in my garden until late June, so the first main flush is more or less over by then...
That doesn't sound like 'New Dawn' to me... it's very pliable and a rampant rambler to 20 foot or so... I no longer have it because many of us are finding that it seems to have reverted to its parent, which is a once blooming rambler, not the repeating rose that 'New Dawn' is supposed to be... if you can show me a photo of your rose I might be able to come up with something...?
I wasn't sure whether Mortimer Sackler would grow large enough to cover the area I want it to. It's about 8 feet, wonky vertical from the ground to the top of the door, then I'd like it to go over the door which would be another 4-5 feet horizontal.
It says that it'll do up to 12ft on the website.
@Marlorena
Does Mortimer throw up many long canes and are they very stiff or easy to train?
I definitely want Generous Gardener - is it very thorny?
if it is then that one can go on the side away from the door.
I had a look at Ramblers and saw Lady of the Lake which looks pretty and might suit if Sackler is too short.
I also wondered from anyone who has grown Teasing Georgia as a climber - what is it like for repeat flowering? Just the two main flushes or do you get some flowers through summer?
@Laguna343
'Mortimer Sackler' will achieve that height, I feel confident about that, I had to prune to keep it 8 or 9 feet, it wanted to go much taller, and the top part is reasonably flexible, not so much as a rambler would be, but doable.. I've seen it trained over an arch..
The difference here is that it will take a bit longer to get to your 12 foot than a rambler would, because they throw out longer canes early on, so your rambler might get there within a season, whereas 'MS' will take a year or two longer than that... depends what kind of a hurry you're in..
'The Generous Gardener' does have quite a few thorns, I would say average, as I've got and seen a lot worse in that department...
The photo here below is of a climbing cane it sent up a few weeks ago, so it gives you an idea of the thorns... as I say, I've seen a lot worse... [yes you 'Gertrude Jekyll']..
'The Lark Ascending'.. a most beautiful rose, with apricot flowers that float like Water Lilies all over the plant from top to toe... stunning, if you can put up with 10 foot of this..