..I can't remember, it was planted by the previous owner and I decided not to keep it.. it was trained towards the horizontal though, and from what I gather it blooms on and off through summer, but one thing to note, this rose resents being pruned too much... 'the Lark Ascending' shown above, is the same, if you prune too hard the rose throws a strop and sulks... so when it throws up long canes you need to keep those and not to prune too much..
I know it can be trained over an arch... but it's best to try and bend the canes a bit to stop lanky growth with flowers at the top... this way you will get bud breaks from lower down, and more flowers... lots of climbing roses are like that... they need sort of fan training, shaped like a fan against a wall...
Re "New Dawn". Had a job to find some photos as requested so these are the best I've got. I am now wondering whether it's a "Queen Elizabeth" HT?
Be very interested in your comments. It was planted back in 2008 and lately doesn't look very happy. I give it rose feed 2 or 3 times a year and a dollop of manure around the roots. It is probably in heavy clay being at the top of our garden from what I recall.
...thanks for the photos Lizzie... they're a touch on the bright side to see clearly, a bit too much sun or the camera makes them look much lighter... but I think you've answered your own question really... that is not 'New Dawn' and most likely 'Queen Elizabeth', but I would like to see a little more pink in those blooms...
I notice the thorns too, great big ones... that's QE... although ND has its share..[edited to say they are very similar in our pictures, big fat cherry red ones.. not roses to mess with]... The foliage also does not look right for ND and the growth habit is all QE...
Why not plant 'Peace' nearby, then you will have 2 historic roses from the same period, and two of the most famous and widely grown roses in the world... 'Peace' is a better colour I think...
This photo is from 2010 and my garden has moved on from this, but in the bottom left hand corner you can see the New Dawn flower clusters... the colour is similar to your rose, from your photos which may be a bit too light, but you can also see the canes left of centre, between the hanging baskets of lobelia, that's all ND as well, rambling along... The colours are a bit too white in my photo too, but as you can see, a totally different growth habit and bloom form, to your rose...
Here are some photos of shrub roses used to climb shorter structures... this is a method I enjoy very much... you do not need to purchase ''climbing'' roses, when often a shrub rose, retrained, will do a better job..
...this is 'Royal Jubilee'..[Austin] one of my very favourites roses, always in bloom continuously, masses of buds always waiting to open, and a scent to knock you flying.. very healthy, with Alba heritage in the blood... easily trained to 8 or 10 feet, upwards and outwards... this is on an obelisk..
..this is 'Armada'.. a floribunda used as a climber on obelisk, easily to 8 foot or more.. always in bloom, all summer.. [Harkness rose]
...this is 'Ballerina'.. a hybrid musk rose.. in a large pot, it has already grown to cover these railings widthways to 8 foot or so.. constantly in flower, even during winter..
..this is 'Blush Noisette'.. an old rose from 1814 and still going strong... constantly in bloom with huge clusters as you can see... scented of cloves, that wafts nearby in the garden... grow as a shrub 6 x 4 or 8 x 6 foot, or climber/rambler trained widthways to 10 or 12 foot easily.. even over an arch.. this is one versatile rose... totally healthy..
Thanks Marlorena, I suspect you're right and its QE (which I don't mind really as I was named after her!). I could put Peace as you say, as I do like that one as well, round the west side of the shed instead of trying to get QE to do a right-hand bend. Food for thought. I prefer your Armada to the Royal Jubilee one, I find I'm not so keen on the incurving petal shapes, although I do have Claire Austin on an arbour. My very favourite roses are Royal William, Gertrude Jekyll, Isaphan and Penelope.
Oh my, now I'm thinking maybe a beautiful shrub rose trained up an 8 ft or so trellis may look more effective in my mixed cottage border... the stunning Royal Jubilee looks particularly lovely, as does the gorgeous blush noisette ... *sigh*...
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thank you for the photo of Generous Gardener up close.
Did you say that you once had "Teasing Georgia"? Is that one that flowers well through summer?
..I can't remember, it was planted by the previous owner and I decided not to keep it.. it was trained towards the horizontal though, and from what I gather it blooms on and off through summer, but one thing to note, this rose resents being pruned too much... 'the Lark Ascending' shown above, is the same, if you prune too hard the rose throws a strop and sulks... so when it throws up long canes you need to keep those and not to prune too much..
I know it can be trained over an arch... but it's best to try and bend the canes a bit to stop lanky growth with flowers at the top... this way you will get bud breaks from lower down, and more flowers... lots of climbing roses are like that... they need sort of fan training, shaped like a fan against a wall...
Re "New Dawn". Had a job to find some photos as requested so these are the best I've got. I am now wondering whether it's a "Queen Elizabeth" HT?
Be very interested in your comments. It was planted back in 2008 and lately doesn't look very happy. I give it rose feed 2 or 3 times a year and a dollop of manure around the roots. It is probably in heavy clay being at the top of our garden from what I recall.
...thanks for the photos Lizzie... they're a touch on the bright side to see clearly, a bit too much sun or the camera makes them look much lighter... but I think you've answered your own question really... that is not 'New Dawn' and most likely 'Queen Elizabeth', but I would like to see a little more pink in those blooms...
I notice the thorns too, great big ones... that's QE... although ND has its share..[edited to say they are very similar in our pictures, big fat cherry red ones.. not roses to mess with]...
The foliage also does not look right for ND and the growth habit is all QE...
Why not plant 'Peace' nearby, then you will have 2 historic roses from the same period, and two of the most famous and widely grown roses in the world... 'Peace' is a better colour I think...
The colours are a bit too white in my photo too, but as you can see, a totally different growth habit and bloom form, to your rose...
...thank you Mary.... and good to see you here...
Here are some photos of shrub roses used to climb shorter structures... this is a method I enjoy very much... you do not need to purchase ''climbing'' roses, when often a shrub rose, retrained, will do a better job..
...this is 'Royal Jubilee'..[Austin] one of my very favourites roses, always in bloom continuously, masses of buds always waiting to open, and a scent to knock you flying.. very healthy, with Alba heritage in the blood... easily trained to 8 or 10 feet, upwards and outwards... this is on an obelisk..
..this is 'Armada'.. a floribunda used as a climber on obelisk, easily to 8 foot or more.. always in bloom, all summer.. [Harkness rose]
...this is 'Ballerina'.. a hybrid musk rose.. in a large pot, it has already grown to cover these railings widthways to 8 foot or so.. constantly in flower, even during winter..
..this is 'Blush Noisette'.. an old rose from 1814 and still going strong... constantly in bloom with huge clusters as you can see... scented of cloves, that wafts nearby in the garden... grow as a shrub 6 x 4 or 8 x 6 foot, or climber/rambler trained widthways to 10 or 12 foot easily.. even over an arch.. this is one versatile rose... totally healthy..