Dave, I think you have an over simplistic view of Americans. We often make the mistake in the UK, of believing Americans are somehow simple, they are not, some of the brightest and best I have met have been American and certainly the most able medics in my specialty are American.
I don't think we do ourselves any favours by our attitudes towards them.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
Yes, Tetley, the way that all of these 'outspoken' politicians change their tune when they actually are in a position of power is always entertaining (and will always be so, I hope.) I was rather hoping that having a female leader of the US (as well as the UK and Germany) would lead to some long-overdue changes of direction and thinking but it seems we'll have to wait a while yet for that to happen. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll live long enough to see a female leader in any of the 'non-western' countries, something I find quite worrying to be perfectly honest.
A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
Benazir Bhutto was prime minister of muslim Pakistan twice. Indira Ghandi was prime minister of India. Sri Lanka had had two female prime ministers and one president.
In Africa both Liberia and Monrovia have women presidents, and the current president of South Korea is a woman.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Neither Benazir Bhutto and Indira Ghandi can exactly be held up as shining lights of democracy. They were both parts of political dynasties in the same way as the Kennedy, Bush and Clinton tribes.
Just like in the USA they may well have done a lot of good, but they were also looking after their own interests first and foremost.
I am, of course, aware of those quoted (and, indeed others.) Perhaps I should really have said 'democratically elected female leader', which I'm sure you all really knew was implied.
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A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
India's not the oldest democracy - that's claimed by the Isle of Man, but it is the largest. And not only does it elect it's MPs and Prime minister in a similar way to the UK, but it also has an elected rather than hereditary head of state. There is undoubtedly a degree of political corruption in India, but western democracies hardly bear close scrutiny in that respect.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
1runnybeak1 alot of people noticed the colors clinton wore.. they said it was the combo of red and blue, but i took it just as you said. kanes wife also wore purple and black.
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Dave, I think you have an over simplistic view of Americans. We often make the mistake in the UK, of believing Americans are somehow simple, they are not, some of the brightest and best I have met have been American and certainly the most able medics in my specialty are American.
I don't think we do ourselves any favours by our attitudes towards them.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Yes, Tetley, the way that all of these 'outspoken' politicians change their tune when they actually are in a position of power is always entertaining (and will always be so, I hope.) I was rather hoping that having a female leader of the US (as well as the UK and Germany) would lead to some long-overdue changes of direction and thinking but it seems we'll have to wait a while yet for that to happen. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll live long enough to see a female leader in any of the 'non-western' countries, something I find quite worrying to be perfectly honest.
Benazir Bhutto was prime minister of muslim Pakistan twice. Indira Ghandi was prime minister of India. Sri Lanka had had two female prime ministers and one president.
In Africa both Liberia and Monrovia have women presidents, and the current president of South Korea is a woman.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Neither Benazir Bhutto and Indira Ghandi can exactly be held up as shining lights of democracy. They were both parts of political dynasties in the same way as the Kennedy, Bush and Clinton tribes.
Just like in the USA they may well have done a lot of good, but they were also looking after their own interests first and foremost.
I am, of course, aware of those quoted (and, indeed others.) Perhaps I should really have said 'democratically elected female leader', which I'm sure you all really knew was implied.
Last edited: 12 November 2016 22:38:05
Are you really saying that India is not a democracy?
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
It may be the oldest democracy in human history but I'm not sure I'd consider it equivalent to current 'western' democracies, Dove.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.
— Abraham Lincoln
Let's wait and see how this thought from one of the most famous US presidents will apply to the current president-elect.
India's not the oldest democracy - that's claimed by the Isle of Man, but it is the largest. And not only does it elect it's MPs and Prime minister in a similar way to the UK, but it also has an elected rather than hereditary head of state. There is undoubtedly a degree of political corruption in India, but western democracies hardly bear close scrutiny in that respect.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
1runnybeak1 alot of people noticed the colors clinton wore.. they said it was the combo of red and blue, but i took it just as you said. kanes wife also wore purple and black.