Do we have the right to call Mr Trump now president elect names, he has been put in power by a majority of people who think the sun shines out of his "err" ears. So be it, done and dusted, end of story.
Brexit was the same kind of vote, North versus South, why? The very same reasons Mr Trump got in, neglect and run down of a once prosperous industrial area with nothing to replace its loss. Then the government elected to send more immigrants than the area could handle. We already had more people out of work than the average for the rest of the UK, Is it any wonder Ukip got a large vote and most people here voted out. Call it knee jerk or what ever you wish, I can only speak of the local area, people sick of the polititians mouthing promises they never fulfill, well it is pay back time, for us America and in the next few months Europe. Germany and France will be next they are just as fed up as we are over the national policies being enacted at the moment. Watch this space.
Brexit was the same kind of vote, North versus South, why? The very same reasons Mr Trump got in, neglect and run down of a once prosperous industrial area with nothing to replace its loss.
Brexit was far from being a North versus South vote. This from the BBC News site "Seven of the 10 areas with the highest share of the vote for Remain were in London, including Lambeth, Hackney and Haringey, all of which polled over 75% to stay in the European Union."
It would be far more accurate to say it was London versus the rest of England and Wales. The breakdown by region shows that London was the only one with a majority in favour of remaining in the EU.
Although there are certain reasons in common for the two results, it's over simplistic to claim that both happened for the same reasons. Many who voted for Brexit did so because they are sick of unelected officials in Brussels dictating UK law. They wanted the UK to have full control over what happens in these islands.
Those unelected officials in Brussels had a fair number of Brits in the mix as each country sends civil servants to fill the various roles of admin and policy making in all the various departments from agriculture thru foreign policy, health and safety and trade deals. Now the UK is having to spend millions hiring and training negotiators for its "independent" trade deals etc to come.
The Remain vote was largely concentrated in "metro" areas so, for example, Newcastle city voted remain whilst the surrounding countryside and smaller towns voted out. Norwich stay, Norfolk out. London in, provinces out. For many Brexiteers, the vote had more to do with a short term nose thumb (to be polite) to government policies since the economic crash. Many of those are the ones now complaining about the pound nose-diving and prices going up because "they didn't know". It doesn't matter what paper you read or what party you support, decisions so momentous should be based on lots of research. There was plenty of info out there.
It's done now and the UK needs to make the best of it - negotiate well, work hard, deal with the consequences positively and, just maybe, it will turn out OK but it will be a long, slow haul with lots of uncertainty ahead.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
KT, I have relatives in London have lived there off and on and never regarded London as anything other than it own entity. You cannot judge or rule the rest of the UK as you would London. Brexit and Ukip succeeded in the North east which is all I can quote on because of the loss of most of the heavy industry and chemicals with nothing to replace them. The local papers often quote the rich south versus the poor north, wrong i know, although we did have the battle of the red doors just before the brexit vote, do you think that could have influenced people more so when the unemployment is higher than the National average. To us that lot in London are wriggling out of brexit for their own reasons. My forecast is in the next series of elections in Europe in a few months more shocks will occur, watch this space.
I agree. Lots of Belgians and French I have chatted with recognise the peace and consequent prosperity that the EU has brought but resent the hell out of career politicians who seem increasingly out f touch with what ordinary folk want and how they live, often seem to be corrupt and/or "we know best" and who are moving too fast to political unity.
I still think the EU is a great thing but it needs to re-examine its roots and stick with economic unity and policies to get economies, markets and jobs moving again.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
I think Frank is right too - this is not the last upset we'll see. Career politicians seem so far to be completely non-plussed or in denial. "Well that was Britain but it couldn't happen in America" - did you hear Madeleine Albright on the radio this morning? That was what she thought back in June, apparently. If that's what the French, Germans, Danish and Dutch are thinking now, this could all get really messy. And not in a good way
Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
late last night, in the news, young college students were rioting ,burning the flag and chanting terrible slogans about trump.these kids are disrespectful little brats,and worse.the college provided them with free pizza and therapy dogs, yes therapy dogs! to make them feel better about the election out come. OMG ! talk about elitists.they were calling them the snowflake generation.god help us if this is what we have to look forward to.what happened to people with some grit and determination.that is why trump was voted in and the brits left the eu.
yes but all comes down to one point .what you thought to be true, was not the case, it always seams to morph into something that does not benefit the little guy,ever
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Do we have the right to call Mr Trump now president elect names, he has been put in power by a majority of people who think the sun shines out of his "err" ears. So be it, done and dusted, end of story.
Brexit was the same kind of vote, North versus South, why? The very same reasons Mr Trump got in, neglect and run down of a once prosperous industrial area with nothing to replace its loss. Then the government elected to send more immigrants than the area could handle. We already had more people out of work than the average for the rest of the UK, Is it any wonder Ukip got a large vote and most people here voted out. Call it knee jerk or what ever you wish, I can only speak of the local area, people sick of the polititians mouthing promises they never fulfill, well it is pay back time, for us America and in the next few months Europe. Germany and France will be next they are just as fed up as we are over the national policies being enacted at the moment. Watch this space.
Frank
Brexit was far from being a North versus South vote. This from the BBC News site "Seven of the 10 areas with the highest share of the vote for Remain were in London, including Lambeth, Hackney and Haringey, all of which polled over 75% to stay in the European Union."
It would be far more accurate to say it was London versus the rest of England and Wales. The breakdown by region shows that London was the only one with a majority in favour of remaining in the EU.
Although there are certain reasons in common for the two results, it's over simplistic to claim that both happened for the same reasons. Many who voted for Brexit did so because they are sick of unelected officials in Brussels dictating UK law. They wanted the UK to have full control over what happens in these islands.
Norwich was in favour of remaining, but Norfolk wasn't.
I doubt the UK will ever have full control if it needs to trade.
What about the 48% who voted to stay? More stay voters were the young, the older ones voted out and the young will have to deal with it in the future.
Those unelected officials in Brussels had a fair number of Brits in the mix as each country sends civil servants to fill the various roles of admin and policy making in all the various departments from agriculture thru foreign policy, health and safety and trade deals. Now the UK is having to spend millions hiring and training negotiators for its "independent" trade deals etc to come.
The Remain vote was largely concentrated in "metro" areas so, for example, Newcastle city voted remain whilst the surrounding countryside and smaller towns voted out. Norwich stay, Norfolk out. London in, provinces out. For many Brexiteers, the vote had more to do with a short term nose thumb (to be polite) to government policies since the economic crash. Many of those are the ones now complaining about the pound nose-diving and prices going up because "they didn't know". It doesn't matter what paper you read or what party you support, decisions so momentous should be based on lots of research. There was plenty of info out there.
It's done now and the UK needs to make the best of it - negotiate well, work hard, deal with the consequences positively and, just maybe, it will turn out OK but it will be a long, slow haul with lots of uncertainty ahead.
KT, I have relatives in London have lived there off and on and never regarded London as anything other than it own entity. You cannot judge or rule the rest of the UK as you would London. Brexit and Ukip succeeded in the North east which is all I can quote on because of the loss of most of the heavy industry and chemicals with nothing to replace them. The local papers often quote the rich south versus the poor north, wrong i know, although we did have the battle of the red doors just before the brexit vote, do you think that could have influenced people more so when the unemployment is higher than the National average. To us that lot in London are wriggling out of brexit for their own reasons. My forecast is in the next series of elections in Europe in a few months more shocks will occur, watch this space.
Frank.
I agree. Lots of Belgians and French I have chatted with recognise the peace and consequent prosperity that the EU has brought but resent the hell out of career politicians who seem increasingly out f touch with what ordinary folk want and how they live, often seem to be corrupt and/or "we know best" and who are moving too fast to political unity.
I still think the EU is a great thing but it needs to re-examine its roots and stick with economic unity and policies to get economies, markets and jobs moving again.
I think Frank is right too - this is not the last upset we'll see. Career politicians seem so far to be completely non-plussed or in denial. "Well that was Britain but it couldn't happen in America" - did you hear Madeleine Albright on the radio this morning? That was what she thought back in June, apparently. If that's what the French, Germans, Danish and Dutch are thinking now, this could all get really messy. And not in a good way
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
late last night, in the news, young college students were rioting ,burning the flag and chanting terrible slogans about trump.these kids are disrespectful little brats,and worse.the college provided them with free pizza and therapy dogs, yes therapy dogs! to make them feel better about the election out come. OMG ! talk about elitists.they were calling them the snowflake generation.god help us if this is what we have to look forward to.what happened to people with some grit and determination.that is why trump was voted in and the brits left the eu.
The fact that many people seem incapable of accepting a result other than the one they want is a worrying development.
yes but all comes down to one point .what you thought to be true, was not the case, it always seams to morph into something that does not benefit the little guy,ever