Having just been to Peter Beales and discussed roses @Nollie I was thinking 35 cm because that was what they said and it's the size of their rose planting box.
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I have Queen of Sweden. It is as described by Eustace. Beautiful flowers, upright growth. Only thing I would say is, somehow looking at DA photos, I was expecting bigger flowers and that could be just me. I knew about no significant fragrance so that was as expected for me.
I took these photos a few moments ago, I notice mine is planted about 1 foot out from the wall but I do have wall supports.. I would also recommend that it's planted well to the right of your shed door, because it likes to spread out its canes and they might get in the way of the entrance...
I don't have grass around it but if I did I would go for a 3 x 3 feet square.. I just think it looks better.. and no grass growing behind it.. This rose will grow as big as you want it - climber if necessary - or kept to much shorter dimensions without detriment to its appearance..
All tuppences appreciated @Marlorena, that’s my plan, I don’t need much space to get in and out of the butt. Unfortunately the shed is steel so I can’t put supports on it. I’d rather have it as a nice big shrub anyway. My gut was that I’d need to have a decent bit of bare soil around the bottom anyway, but I wanted to check. I want to basically cover over the front of the shed up to about the height of the window.
The shed is a necessity and is a really good one, but it needs some help to blend in to the garden. I’m going to pleach some fruit trees along the gable side of it too, and a nice curved gravel path to the door will be coming along too.
I agree that digging out a bigger area would certainly look better @ciaranmcgrenera but I thought you didn't want the effort and were wondering what the minimum was from the rose's point of view! You said "My question is is there any advantage to digging out the entire square in red or would digging out a circle maybe a metre or even less in diameter be enough?"
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
@Alfie_...if I were to buy another Austin (I've gone off 'em) it would be QofS. I've seen it growing in my local park's rose garden and it's fantastic. Really upright growth, with beautiful, pale pink blooms, and considering the roses there aren't particularly well looked after it still seems to be healthy and free flowering.
@Busy-Lizzie I’m sure what your Beales chap said is fine in an existing border that’s already been dug and well-prepared but creating a new planting space in grass needs a bit more attention and room.
Coincidentally I’ve just planted out my potted Lady of Shallot in an existing border in a 40cm3 box roughly where a rose was previously. I still made an initial hole a good 15cm bigger all round than the box and backfilled around it. That way when the rose breaks through the box it has good friable soil to spread out into.
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I agree that digging out a bigger area would certainly look better @ciaranmcgrenera but I thought you didn't want the effort and were wondering what the minimum was from the rose's point of view! You said "My question is is there any advantage to digging out the entire square in red or would digging out a circle maybe a metre or even less in diameter be enough?"
Ah don’t worry, I understand. Perhaps I didn’t word my initial question well enough. You’re probably right to be fair- the lazy side of me would be delighted to only dig out a little circle, but if the right thing was to do the square then that’s what would have to be done! So while I say my gut said the square, lazy me hoped the circle would be enough.
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also, incidentally my Salvia Caradonna, 2/3 of which was moved to make room for more Gertrude Jekyll this winter is already all off to the races.
I have Queen of Sweden. It is as described by Eustace. Beautiful flowers, upright growth.
Only thing I would say is, somehow looking at DA photos, I was expecting bigger flowers and that could be just me.
I knew about no significant fragrance so that was as expected for me.
I took these photos a few moments ago, I notice mine is planted about 1 foot out from the wall but I do have wall supports.. I would also recommend that it's planted well to the right of your shed door, because it likes to spread out its canes and they might get in the way of the entrance...
I don't have grass around it but if I did I would go for a 3 x 3 feet square.. I just think it looks better.. and no grass growing behind it..
This rose will grow as big as you want it - climber if necessary - or kept to much shorter dimensions without detriment to its appearance..
The shed is a necessity and is a really good one, but it needs some help to blend in to the garden. I’m going to pleach some fruit trees along the gable side of it too, and a nice curved gravel path to the door will be coming along too.
Coincidentally I’ve just planted out my potted Lady of Shallot in an existing border in a 40cm3 box roughly where a rose was previously. I still made an initial hole a good 15cm bigger all round than the box and backfilled around it. That way when the rose breaks through the box it has good friable soil to spread out into.