Heard today from TL that my bare roots are on their way: Lady of Shallot, Summer Song, The Garland, Camille Pissarro, Claude Monet, A Whiter Shade of Pale, Jacqueline du Pre, Matthias Claudius. Apart from The Garland and Jdu Pre should I plant in containers first foe a couple of years.
@Mr. Vine Eye ..thanks.. and yes no problem north facing.. they grow almost anywhere and will seed here and there.. have a think in case nothing else crops up..
@Alfie_ .. you shouldn't worry about what they look like in October, they're winding down by then and PAOK is a black spotter in any case, I've seen dreadful examples of that rose.. just pick off the worst leaves and bin them.. as long as they look great during the main growing season, that's the main thing really.. and yours looks rather good there..
I think they grow their potted roses in large pots 2 feet across and depth... but the minimum is 18''.. 45cm x 45cm.. I've grown roses in just 30cm x 30cm, they are good for 1 season, then I tip out the pot in winter, root prune a bit and start again with fresh.. this way you can surprisingly keep the same rose growing in the same smallish pot almost indefinitely.. I have several lightweight black pots that hold 20L compost and find they are excellent for 2 seasons, or for planting out after just 1..
Perhaps stick to conventional for now.. this is probably for those who've been growing roses a long time and get adventurous about it Alfie.. edit.. oh and leave your pots out, they should be ok where you are.. I have a greenhouse but when I had lots of potted roses I left most of them outside.. the roses are hardy to -20C and the rootstock to -30c.. you won't be getting that will you..?..
@rossdriscoll13 Yes but we needn't worry about that.. in worst case [unlikely], you just tip the roses out and repot individually, then take your pictures... they never quibble in my experience.. Growing more than 1 rose in the same pot, or the same hole in the ground [as I've done] is perhaps more for the experienced grower, than those beginning, I should add..
Just to show the sort of tricks that can be done, for those more adventurous and willing to take risks..
You can plant 2 roses in the same hole, if you know they have equal vigour.. the hole was about 3 feet square and both bare roots planted about a foot apart in that.. with obelisk and rope for training.. 'The Generous Gardener' and 'Baronne Prevost'.. fighting it out..
@newbie77, sorry missed your comment earlier, thanks, glad TaB is doing well for you too. I look forward to getting it, although egged on by Marlorena to get Marie Nabonnand, it might be turfed out of it’s intended spot before it even gets there 😆
@Pam285, I agree, growing in pots first is a useful ploy to bring on a wimpy or poorly rose for a year or two before releasing it back into the wild but none of the roses you list should need that. Your new bed looks very smart, but might it need topping up before planting, since the soil level will settle and drop a fair bit over winter? That’s often a problem with raised beds. The Garland, as a large rambler, will need a decent support system to scramble over, where were you thinking of putting it?
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@WhereAreMySecateurs .. it fed to an arch some 6 feet away where I have Wild Rover.. the roses merged into a kind of triple amalgamated edibleness.. lol..
@Marlorena - if I felt compelled to try could I fit two bare root GO’s in a 50cm terracotta pot? Also, is it important even for single roses in pots to match the size of pot to its current size like you would with other plants. So if it’s in a too large pot for its current stage of growth a lot of plants put on lots of root growth and very little top growth as well as there being too much water in the soil for the size of the roots. Are roses the same where you want to start off a bare root in a smaller pot and build up to a larger one? I only mention it because my Eustacia Vye is a fairly small bare root and I put it in a large (ish) 50cm pot:
@Alfie_ Ok, your pic didn't show up there but no worries I have E Vye here too..
I have learnt over decades that my personal taste is flippant to say the least.. That means I can get tired of a rose very quickly indeed if it doesn't please me in some way.. so the problem I have with putting a new bare root in a very large pot with tons of compost is that, I'm taking it for granted I'm really going to love this rose that I've only seen in a pretty photo somewhere.. If I don't take to a rose by August then it's out and gone in the wheelie bin.. so my favoured way of doing things is for the first year to grow in a smallish pot, see if I like it, and then repot into a larger pot for the following year when I'm confident that I want to keep this rose I've spent 20 quid on..
You don't know until you grow them. Take Eustacia Vye for instance, lovely scent, gets some blackspot, but the blooms don't last long on the bush. Some might be disappointed in that. Austins have a nice yellow rose called 'Nye Bevan'.. the blooms barely last 2 days.. 'Imogen' is another, disintegrates by the 3rd day..
Yes they produce lots of blooms to cover but even so, I like a rose to last a bit longer..
Keep what you've got planted for now, but in future you might want to consider using smaller pots if unsure about the roses in question.. and repot into larger permanent pots at a later date.. the same principle for planting in the ground really, sometimes it's best to try in a small pot first before planting out..
@Alfie_, as to your question about in being too much water in the soil for the size of the roots, roses are better than many plants in that way. I had planted bare roots in fairly large pot from start with full john-innes (without multipurpose compost) and they were alright. One thing to consider is I am usually short of time when it comes to watering so unless it rained heavily they were not too soggy.
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..thanks.. and yes no problem north facing.. they grow almost anywhere and will seed here and there.. have a think in case nothing else crops up..
@tack
thanks.. your roses are always superb..
@Alfie_
.. you shouldn't worry about what they look like in October, they're winding down by then and PAOK is a black spotter in any case, I've seen dreadful examples of that rose.. just pick off the worst leaves and bin them.. as long as they look great during the main growing season, that's the main thing really.. and yours looks rather good there..
I think they grow their potted roses in large pots 2 feet across and depth... but the minimum is 18''.. 45cm x 45cm.. I've grown roses in just 30cm x 30cm, they are good for 1 season, then I tip out the pot in winter, root prune a bit and start again with fresh..
this way you can surprisingly keep the same rose growing in the same smallish pot almost indefinitely.. I have several lightweight black pots that hold 20L compost and find they are excellent for 2 seasons, or for planting out after just 1..
Perhaps stick to conventional for now.. this is probably for those who've been growing roses a long time and get adventurous about it Alfie.. edit.. oh and leave your pots out, they should be ok where you are.. I have a greenhouse but when I had lots of potted roses I left most of them outside.. the roses are hardy to -20C and the rootstock to -30c.. you won't be getting that will you..?..
@rossdriscoll13
Yes but we needn't worry about that.. in worst case [unlikely], you just tip the roses out and repot individually, then take your pictures... they never quibble in my experience..
Growing more than 1 rose in the same pot, or the same hole in the ground [as I've done] is perhaps more for the experienced grower, than those beginning, I should add..
..oh that looks nice, what a grand job... I'd plant them all in that if room.. see what anyone else thinks.
You can plant 2 roses in the same hole, if you know they have equal vigour.. the hole was about 3 feet square and both bare roots planted about a foot apart in that.. with obelisk and rope for training..
'The Generous Gardener' and 'Baronne Prevost'.. fighting it out..
..complicated, but fun ..
@Pam285, I agree, growing in pots first is a useful ploy to bring on a wimpy or poorly rose for a year or two before releasing it back into the wild but none of the roses you list should need that. Your new bed looks very smart, but might it need topping up before planting, since the soil level will settle and drop a fair bit over winter? That’s often a problem with raised beds. The Garland, as a large rambler, will need a decent support system to scramble over, where were you thinking of putting it?
Geranium Ann Folkard is still blooming. Must get more (or divide this one)- it's been fab.
.. it fed to an arch some 6 feet away where I have Wild Rover.. the roses merged into a kind of triple amalgamated edibleness.. lol..
Ok, your pic didn't show up there but no worries I have E Vye here too..
I have learnt over decades that my personal taste is flippant to say the least.. That means I can get tired of a rose very quickly indeed if it doesn't please me in some way.. so the problem I have with putting a new bare root in a very large pot with tons of compost is that, I'm taking it for granted I'm really going to love this rose that I've only seen in a pretty photo somewhere..
If I don't take to a rose by August then it's out and gone in the wheelie bin.. so my favoured way of doing things is for the first year to grow in a smallish pot, see if I like it, and then repot into a larger pot for the following year when I'm confident that I want to keep this rose I've spent 20 quid on..
You don't know until you grow them. Take Eustacia Vye for instance, lovely scent, gets some blackspot, but the blooms don't last long on the bush. Some might be disappointed in that. Austins have a nice yellow rose called 'Nye Bevan'.. the blooms barely last 2 days.. 'Imogen' is another, disintegrates by the 3rd day..
Yes they produce lots of blooms to cover but even so, I like a rose to last a bit longer..
Keep what you've got planted for now, but in future you might want to consider using smaller pots if unsure about the roses in question.. and repot into larger permanent pots at a later date.. the same principle for planting in the ground really, sometimes it's best to try in a small pot first before planting out..