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The Guardian view on Liz Truss: a Little Englander PM risks running a Little England

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  • LiriodendronLiriodendron Posts: 8,328
    That may be what Sunak intended to say, but what he actually said, to Conservative party members in Tunbridge Wells, was this, @steveTu:

    "I managed to start changing the funding formulas to make sure areas like this are getting the funding they deserve.  We inherited a bunch of formulas from Labour that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas and that needed to be undone."

    Somewhat foot in mouth, at the very least...
    Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    I'm sure there are deprived rural areas too, but I don't know whether Tunbridge Wells is one of them (I expect not).
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    The written word eh? I read that (and heard it - as it was reported down here on the local news) as:
    'In the past Labour focused solely on deprived urban areas - I'm changing that so each area is judged on it's merits, not it's location'.


    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • Perhaps we have all misunderstood Mr. Sunac's interpretation of deprived ?  In the current rush to be seen to Level Up/Down/Sideways, Tunbridge Wells maybe could  be described as a "deprived area" - a lack of poor/low earning people living within their area ? 
    Probably not what he had in mind tho  :D   
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    Perhaps we have all misunderstood Mr. Sunac's interpretation of deprived ?  In the current rush to be seen to Level Up/Down/Sideways, Tunbridge Wells maybe could  be described as a "deprived area" - a lack of poor/low earning people living within their area ? 
    Probably not what he had in mind tho  :D   
    maybe the good folk of turnbridge wells are struggling to find domestic staff? the poor dears
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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited August 2022
    In any area there are deprived sub-areas. isn't that what he was trying to say? I've said this before - look at where Grenfell is (everybody loves quoting the Guardian here - so - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/wealth-and-poverty-sit-side-by-side-in-grenfell-towers-borough) - simply because there are rich areas around, would Grenfell deserve funds (and not just because of the fire)? But that 'side-by-side' rich and poor bit is a fact across the country. It isn't a town-country, north-south divide per se, although I don't doubt that the north has suffered more since industrialisation and its demise (but then it was one of the wealthiest parts of the country at some stage).
    What I personally found odd about Rishi's Tunbridge Wells comment was the fact he admitted to the Tories not having addressed the deprived area inequality issue since the last labour gov. How could he, Rishi, have inherited anything from Labour after all this time? If it was known that the labour formulas were naff, why is Rishi addressing them - how many predecessors has he had who then ignored the effect of those formulas?



    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • Hostafan1 said:  
    maybe the good folk of turnbridge wells are struggling to find domestic staff? the poor dears
     :D:D   I hadn't actually thought of that.  Life can be soooooo hard. 
  • @steveTu I'm sure your'e right Steve.  I've long since given up on taking any of the New PM debate seriously hence my TIC comments.  
    I can't vote for either of the contenders as I'm not a Tory Party member so I can only wait and see at the moment.  Both seem happy enough now to say how many of the Tory policies they disagreed with - no real way of knowing whether they made their position clear at the Cabinet meetings.  Party before country - nothing new.
    The only good thing to look forward to is that Mr. Johnson will soon have to curtail  his endless global jaunts at taxpayers expense. No doubt any money saved will then be spent on refurbishing No. 10 to the new PM's taste  :D
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    2019 and 2015 - there are obvious deprived areas, but zoom into around Tunbridge Wells and you'll see some of the local areas are in the top 10%.
    What I'd be asking is how funding to deprived areas works. You know I hate positive discrimination - so levelling up was a nonsense to me for the North. ANY area that is in the top deprived areas IMO should be being funded, But again - and this is also my dislike of the market as well - doesn't the market determine where business goes? Seaside resorts did ok before cheap package holidays, now most seaside towns are run down. Fishing, and mining have gone or are going .. we did business in geograph and had to pinpopint where industry would go on any given map where resources, comms etc were marked. But it isn't that simple anymore eh?
    The north became very wealthy from industry, the south didn't. The south west had tin and mining - but all changes with time. A rich area this century may not be rich next.

    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited August 2022
    I do wish that the populace would take notice of "Bonfire of Regulations" boasts. This is the central plank of policy. This translates as
    - bonfire of free education
    - bonfire of the NHS
    - bonfire of enviromental controls - river, ocean, conservation regulation, air quality
    - bonfire of banking rules
    - bonfire of planning - housing, end of green belts, building on SSSIs
    - bonfire of climate commitments

    If the UK population don't want any of those things then ok. But I think people want clean air, free schooling, wildlife, the NHS, companies being made accountable, rivers and sea water you can swim in.

    You cannot be pro national health and pro clean water and 'pro bonfire of regulations', though this is the lie that Tories successfully spin. Following the banking collaspse in 2008, what was the proposed solution? A bonfire; more "freedom" for the banking sector. Nobody arrested, nobody imprisoned for willful fraud. When even the City of London clamours for more regulation, not less, politicians should know they have a problem.





    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/10/time-deliver-brexits-potential/


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