Is that true @B3 - can't art be decided on after the event (aren't cave painting seen as art - and how can you know intent?)? And what if 'intent' isn't known anyway - does that stop something being viewed as artistic by the viewer? I see things all the time in nature that leave me gobsmacked - I see that as art. Are photographs then memory or art?
If it was designed a a record of animal's fertility cycles or whatever, it's no more art than a ledger but if it was designed to make the walls pretty, it's art. A photo becomes art when you tinker with it to make it aesthetically pleasing. Botanical illustration might stuff my argument, though🤔
And then there’s conceptual art of course, where it’s not the appearance but the idea that is ‘pleasing‘ …
in which case an artist might take someone else’s records or an animals fertility and recontextualise them … and then they would form part of an artwork.
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Again, as a viewer I disagree. I decide what I think art is. To me, Emmin's bed is not art, but I'm told it is. On the other hand some of the photos I see even on this board are, to me, artistic. You can't know intent behind an object unless you're told.
I added in the photo question because of this and Magritte's painting (https://www.renemagritte.org/the-treachery-of-images.jsp) - obviously the painting isn't the thing it represents - it is a symbol. But if the symbol is art, is then thing itself then art? Is then a photo artistic or is the real life subject art?
To me the answer is inside all of us - we decide on our 'art' - it is not in the thing itself, but in us.
@KT53 my point was that the shell mosaics were invited. The artist did her own house and then some neighbours did a bit round their doorframes and others asked her to do whole walls. Same with the painting on the silos - invited.
That's a lot different from some eejit with a spray can defacing public or private property or people defacing historic sites.
As for what is art and what is not, that's a philosophical debate for someone else. I do not understand piles of bricks or unmade beds or cows cut in half and esecially not why people would pay for them. On the other hand, I have seen some really good paintings by people like Picasso and Salvadoor Dali before they discovered that "weird" would sell better.
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I don't understand your reference to the emperor's new clothes. What does this have to do with whether or not you like a piece of art?
Clothes are art aren't they (https://www.artworks.com.sg/news/is-fashion-art/)? They have fashion shows to show them. The emperor bought his clothes because he was told they were great (much like some other art buyers - they buy not because they like the object, but because they're told it is good or has value). His view of his 'art' was fine as long as his 'delusion' wasn't broken by people pointing out he'd bought a pup (or a an imaginary pup).
Many people buy art simply because they love it. If they buy because they are told it is good, but they don't understand why, that does not mean that it is not good at all, as you seem to imply.
You must have missed what I've been saying - to me, it is not up to me to decide for someone else what is good or bad. Their taste will decide that. All I said in that post was that some others do not view the world my way and may buy what they see as art based on what others say about it, either for aesthetic or financial reasons. Good or bad is your/their decision not mine. Good or bad does not exist in an object. Art does not exist in an object.
@KT53 it’s common practice to cut strips of tablets to ensure the patient gets the prescribed amount. Boxes are usually marked with a cross or scribble once opened but sometimes mistakes happen.
Example, many tablets come in boxes of 28 doctor prescribes 30 so another box is opened and 2 tablets cut off and placed with original 28 and given to customer Box is then marked and returned to drawer so if another odd amount is needed it’s taken from a marked box. Someone obviously forgot to mark the box that had been opened, simples!
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A photo becomes art when you tinker with it to make it aesthetically pleasing.
Botanical illustration might stuff my argument, though🤔
in which case an artist might take someone else’s records or an animals fertility and recontextualise them … and then they would form part of an artwork.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
That's a lot different from some eejit with a spray can defacing public or private property or people defacing historic sites.
As for what is art and what is not, that's a philosophical debate for someone else. I do not understand piles of bricks or unmade beds or cows cut in half and esecially not why people would pay for them. On the other hand, I have seen some really good paintings by people like Picasso and Salvadoor Dali before they discovered that "weird" would sell better.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.