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  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    There's a by election today. Interesting.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    Of course the media will climb on the bandwagon and print anything and everything they feel like.  This lady is now fair game to be accused of everything they can think of.  They know nobody connected with the Royal Household will comment on speculation so they have a free hand.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    On the subject of how the media interpret events - I read a headline about the England v Pakistan Test match this morning which read along the lines of "England must regroup after losing both openers in quick succession".  I think most cricket fans would assume from the headline that both had been out with few runs on the board.  The reality is that the openers did go in quick succession but with 233 and then 235 runs on the board.
    Just a single example of how the media doesn't necessarily lie but deliberately mislead at best.
  • WonkyWombleWonkyWomble Posts: 4,541
    Well.... I'm with LG.... It's been very enlightening reading! Have to concur with my mother....@Dovefromabove Generally wise to do.... It's HOW you say it!!! I've seen racists emotionally effect my family members without even realising they have offended....a little empathy and education would go a long way in society not just the royal family.... 
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    steveTu said:
    From the point of view of the person being victimised, isn't any 'ism' as bad as any other? ...



    Of course not ... have you no knowledge or understanding of European colonialism and the slave trade in the Caribbean and the Americas? 

    I'm not sure I follow that. Your talking scale rather than the effect on the individual?
    My views on the slave trade were covered in the thread 'Ists and isms' (I think it was called that).
    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • WonkyWombleWonkyWomble Posts: 4,541
    Thank you @Dovefromabove.... It turns out the Guinness family used to own his ancestors.....I wonder how many folks on here know who used to OWN their family!
  • Bless you both @WonkyWomble ❤️ 


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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219

    I'm not sure how tracing exactly where you're from is relevant. We all came from somewhere - we're all human and have an ancestry whether we know the full detail of it or not.
    I have never said that people haven't suffered because of racism and I fully appreciate that racism comes in many guises, but I still do not think that a question of someone's origin is, by default, racist.
    I know you can't do what ifs - but if the person had been Inuit,Aborigine,Thai,Chinese or ...would the LiW's question still have been racist? If the person had an accent and had spoken first ,so the LiW had had an aural indication of 'difference', would the question have been racist?
    How do you know the conversation wouldn't have become:
    'Where do you come from?'
    'My origins are blah, but my family came here from blah-blah'
    'That's interesting - my son in law comes from blah-blah...what part were your family from?'

    Why is it assumed that there was some nasty ulterior motive to the question?
    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • WonkyWombleWonkyWomble Posts: 4,541
    The transcript shows it was a badgering style of integration...... Not sure how many times we have to state that IT'S HOW YOU SAY IT!!! Obviously, that's my opinion... Just some opinions are built from actual experience!
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