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  • AnniD said:

    The problem is that the Royal Family are human. The days of total deference are long gone.
    The Queen was the last of that old style of monarch, and by the time William becomes King (if he does), l would expect it to evolve into some kind of Dutch model. There's no way in the 21st century that most people believe in the "Divine right of Kings".

    Agree wholeheartedly.Ā  The only argument I have with that is why it needs to take so long to get something akin to the Dutch model ?Ā  The Royals should have begun their slimming down agenda many years ago. The Queen would have found it difficult I imagine given her age and the protocols she was expected to keep to but Charles at least should have been working towards a different style of "monarchy" - he's of an age to have grasped that change was needed.
    We may still be pleasantly surprised tho - here's hoping .Ā 
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    AnniD said:

    The problem is that the Royal Family are human. The days of total deference are long gone.
    The Queen was the last of that old style of monarch, and by the time William becomes King (if he does), l would expect it to evolve into some kind of Dutch model. There's no way in the 21st century that most people believe in the "Divine right of Kings".

    Agree wholeheartedly.Ā  The only argument I have with that is why it needs to take so long to get something akin to the Dutch model ?Ā  The Royals should have begun their slimming down agenda many years ago. The Queen would have found it difficult I imagine given her age and the protocols she was expected to keep to but Charles at least should have been working towards a different style of "monarchy" - he's of an age to have grasped that change was needed.
    We may still be pleasantly surprised tho - here's hoping .Ā 

    Charles has been at the heart of the process of slimming down the Monarchy.Ā  He has made it clear in the past that there are far too many who do far too little.Ā  The photographs on the balcony at the recent Jubilee only had the 4 direct generations of the Royal family.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    He was bullied by the Queen Mother into marrying Diana. He was told it was his duty … he was incredibly malleable and desperate to please his adored grandmother (who ideas came from the previous century) … Diana was naive and ridiculously idealistic … they should never have been in the same room let alone the same marriage. They had nothing in common.Ā 

    If they had not been who they were they’d have split up ages before they did.Ā 

    Neither of them were saints … very few of us are.Ā 
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    The thing is to learn from your mistakes and try not to make the same ones again … and not to judge others who make the same mistakes more harshly than we judge ourselves.Ā 

    I agree totally,which is why I don't get all the "worship" ? of the royal family.Ā 
    Very good marketing after Victoria died.Ā  She was a figure of fun to many.Ā 
    The prince regent was a figure of national ridicule.Ā 
    Devon.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2022
    Don’t see any ā€˜worship’ other than by a small minority of rather eccentric folk … my ex MIL was one such who collected royal souvenirs memorabilia as if they were religious icons. Ā There are those who turn up at Sandringham on Christmas morning and have gone do every year for 60 years or somesuch … bonkers, but kindly and, for the most part totally harmless. I think for the majority of folk there’s a respect for the job they do and the way that most of them do it … I certainly would never be able to cope with that degree of scrutiny … and the tedium of endless ribbon cutting and handshaking. No wonder the DofE sometimes said something the press thought was inappropriate, in an effort to find something different to say.Ā 

    After WW1 and the abdication, and then another world war, the queens father and then she, took on the role that should never have been theirs, and re-styled the monarchy into something much more stable and respectable that it had been of late … they set the tone for the second half of the 20c which was a vast improvement on the previous 50 years. It’s hardly surprising there’s a great deal of respect and fondness for the Queen. Ā She’s made her mistakes too, as we all have … but she learned from them.Ā 

    Of course, it’s always a problem when ā€˜the spare’ gets demoted as the heir has children.

    Diana made a huge mistake when she stated and insisted that both her sons were to be treated alike. Look what happened when Harry found himself slipping down the ladder and with no role. It was something he’d not been prepared for … it had always been Wills & Harry … 

    And of course, had the rules been changed earlier and Anne had been ā€˜the spare’ rather than Andrew, perhaps he wouldn’t have turned into such an entitled idiot … but we are where we are.Ā 

    It seems that Charles is determined to slim down and modernise the monarchy … and has already started .., not without ruffling several lots of feathers. Ā I hope he continues to have the courage of his convictions.Ā 

    Gardening in Central NorfolkĀ on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    They even re-branded Kate to Catherine
    Devon.
  • ErgatesErgates Posts: 2,953
    I understand that she was always called Catherine by friends and family. Presumably not catchy enough for the press, or maybe too difficult for them to spell! I’m sure a lot of us have completed forgotten what Fergie’s actual name is.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2022
    She’s always been Catherine … its her name, which apparently she prefers … it’s the press that have insisted on calling her Kate … snappier headlines.Ā 

    Wills & Kate at Uni possibly. For formal stuff William and Catherine surely?Ā 

    Gardening in Central NorfolkĀ on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    I'm pretty sure she was known as Kate at uni when they met
    Devon.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2022
    That was the press. Ā 

    Like I said, Kate is informal, fine among friends … but she has a formal role … her husband is known as Prince William … why should she be known by the ā€˜diminutive’ Ā form of her name? Ā If she wanted to be called Kate that’s how she’d sign herself, but she signs herself Catherine … and why not? Ā It’s her name.Ā 

    After all the Queen was Queen Elizabeth not Queen Lilibet … and Princes Margaret would have exploded if she’d been called Princess Maggie or whatever.Ā 

    When I was at Art School some folk shortened my name … now only one special person is allowed to use that short form. I don’t like other people using it … it feels disrespectful and intrusive … 



    Gardening in Central NorfolkĀ on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





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