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  • UffUff Posts: 3,199
    As we're on the Clematis thread, I'd like to grow another Montana, preferably Rubens or Broughton Star next to the white Montana (i cut it back by a half) that was growing over the arch that blew down a fortnight ago. I'd like them to intermingle over the arch. If they are well cared for until the new one was established would it work? 
    SW SCOTLAND but born in Derbyshire
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Do you mean one at each side @Uff?
    I doubt it would work if they were at the same side. It would have to be a massive arch to cope with two of them. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • LunarSeaLunarSea Posts: 1,923
    Uff said:
    As we're on the Clematis thread, I'd like to grow another Montana, preferably Rubens or Broughton Star next to the white Montana (i cut it back by a half) that was growing over the arch that blew down a fortnight ago. I'd like them to intermingle over the arch. If they are well cared for until the new one was established would it work? 

    Hi @Uff I'd definitely recommend 'Freda'. It's a smaller cultivar from montana 'Pink Perfection' and is a really good do-er.
    Clay soil - Cheshire/Derbyshire border

    I play with plants and soil and sometimes it's successful

  • UffUff Posts: 3,199
    No growing from the same side FairyGirl. The old white one, which was in this garden when we bought the place, is boring in that situation, and digging it out would create too much disturbance. 
    SW SCOTLAND but born in Derbyshire
  • CloggieCloggie Posts: 1,457
    I have Broughton Star in perhaps its fourth year this year.  So far it hasn't wowed me but this year it should expand along a chainlink fence where we cleared down a lot of competition from privet/hawthorn/laurel type and old dross.  Fingers crossed for a nice display.  I'll post a pic if it's good.
  • CloggieCloggie Posts: 1,457
    I also have the alpina macropetala blue bird chappie.  It too is in an awkward spot but a lot of ivy has been removed and I cut it right down last year to rejuvenate so if this has worked and it's nice I'll post.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    If you're planting another montana, and they're both on the same side, and you want them both to  thrive, you'd need enough 'length' on that side of your arch for it to work well. Otherwise, you'd be constantly pruning to keep them under control which is a bit pointless. A different type of clematis to go with the montana would be a better idea - a Group 2 or 3, which would flower at a different time to your montana.

    An average arch of a couple of feet depth [front to back] for example, wouldn't have enough room. They'd just grow into each other and one would eventually get the upper hand.
    If the arch has about five or six feet depth, that would probably be ok. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • UffUff Posts: 3,199
    Mmm it's a tricky one. I might just try a group 3 one and plant it on the other side and hopefully give a bit of colour when the Montana has finished flowering. 
    SW SCOTLAND but born in Derbyshire
  • We have a montana Rubens growing along our fence and I planted what I thought was another cutting of it, that I'd taken, further along to extend its reach. I discovered this winter that my helpful neighbours dog pulling labels out of pots for me, created a happy accident as the clematis cutting was actually freckles and has flowered quite well this winter. It's a nice mix of some green leaves and mottled flowers shining through the hibernating montana.
    So I think a mix can work well and perhaps a winter flowering species might be a good way to go as the montana would provide a little protection from the cold and you would still get something to look at when you'd normally see sleepy sticks. 


  • Hi @Uff I'd definitely recommend 'Freda'. It's a smaller cultivar from montana 'Pink Perfection' and is a really good do-er.

    We had 'Freda' growing when I was younger because it's my mum's name. It was a nice, more refined, cultivar that was really stunning until my dad pruned and accidentally killed it. I've not seen it available locally for some years now but if I do I'll buy it.
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