Thanks for the link @Dovefromabove Unfortunately I can't open it but along with @wild edges post, I am prepared to accept that many don't know what the Holocaust actually involved.. The Jewish community have a much bigger profile than those other poor buggers who suffered so perhaps that is where the lack of knowledge comes in. I suppose it depends on how deep anyone wants to dig but on the surface, there doesn't appear to be anyone who is intent on making the fate of others known. As I don't have children, I don't really take an analytic view of the education system as such. I'm afraid I just assumed that if the Hoocaust was on the curriculum, students would be aware of what actually occurred and ( hopefully ) taught how to avoid anything of the like in future. That I guess really relates to the US and Europe - similar things have happened elsewhere since then so I guess the message hasn't got across. In a somewhat similar vein, I just caught a bit on the World Service this morning..........something about black American soldiers diagnosed with Syphalis were, unknowingly, part of a research project on this disease. Apparently, they had a note on their file "not to be treated ". This was during WW2 but I haven't had time to look for any further info. We've got a long way to go yet before we accept that those who have 2 legs, 2 arms and walk upright are all the same.
I cannot make up my mind: did he shock, because he was trying to raise awareness, or, to cause offence, get free publicity, or just because he is a nasty man? Genuinely can't make up my mind.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
You would need to ask him that wouldn't you ? Unless you have a 1 to 1 conversation with him, you aren't going to know. Suffice to say that his "joke" may have brought the subject forward for debate which was apparently his intention. Whether you believe that or not can only be up to you. I doubt he needs free publicity and unless you know him, you cannot honestly describe him as a "nasty man". That would just be your opinion rather than a fact.
I never thought Jimmy Carr remotely funny. Comics who make people titter with embarassment ought to rethink their acts. I would sooner watch reruns of Morecombe and Wise.
I think he did it to shock and then cause laughter.. in a 'OMG, I can't believe he just said that'.. that sort of shocked laughter that sometimes happens when as a child you witness someone getting hurt. I don't particularly like comedians, but my husband and I watched it a few months ago when Netflix had a bit of a dry spell.. and the entire show is filled with shock humor.. rape, extreme cutting rudeness to individuals in the audience, and all sorts. He is equal in his offense to all groups, religions, and race. I found myself laughing occasional, but in the way I mentioned at the beginning of this paragraph. I watched it to the end as well, in the sort of way one slowly drives by the scene of an accident to gawk.. and then feel guilty afterward about looking.
Stewart Lee shocks too - but I find him really, really funny. I don't think he would stoop low - punching down - like Jimmy Carr does, he punches up, as well as having a go at his white liberal middle class audiences, who lap it up. But then he is a cleverer man than Carr.
Stewart Lee tells a joke concerning the old Top Gear team making inappropriate comments then saying that it was "only a joke", then he makes a joke about Richard (the hamster) Hammond which is in equally bad taste as the Top Gear team's saying "its only a joke". As for Jimmy Carr I don't find him funny but the people who laughed at his jokes are worse than he is.
Agree about Stewart Lee @didyw - definitely a cleverer comedian (and more thought-provoking as a result).
I think Jimmy Carr probably feels a need to go that little bit further than previously in his attempts to shock/get a laugh. Inevitably that will lead to larger numbers of people finding him offensive rather than funny. I quite like him on 8 out of 10 but that is largely because of the dynamic he has with the other regulars and the fact that he is toned down for TV.
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The Jewish community have a much bigger profile than those other poor buggers who suffered so perhaps that is where the lack of knowledge comes in. I suppose it depends on how deep anyone wants to dig but on the surface, there doesn't appear to be anyone who is intent on making the fate of others known. As I don't have children, I don't really take an analytic view of the education system as such. I'm afraid I just assumed that if the Hoocaust was on the curriculum, students would be aware of what actually occurred and ( hopefully ) taught how to avoid anything of the like in future. That I guess really relates to the US and Europe - similar things have happened elsewhere since then so I guess the message hasn't got across.
In a somewhat similar vein, I just caught a bit on the World Service this morning..........something about black American soldiers diagnosed with Syphalis were, unknowingly, part of a research project on this disease. Apparently, they had a note on their file "not to be treated ". This was during WW2 but I haven't had time to look for any further info.
We've got a long way to go yet before we accept that those who have 2 legs, 2 arms and walk upright are all the same.
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horrendous … and not ended until 1972!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
Not only affecting the generation involved but their children who were born affected.
And even less well known are the American experiments carried out in Guatemala …
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Genuinely can't make up my mind.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Suffice to say that his "joke" may have brought the subject forward for debate which was apparently his intention. Whether you believe that or not can only be up to you.
I doubt he needs free publicity and unless you know him, you cannot honestly describe him as a "nasty man". That would just be your opinion rather than a fact.
I think Jimmy Carr probably feels a need to go that little bit further than previously in his attempts to shock/get a laugh. Inevitably that will lead to larger numbers of people finding him offensive rather than funny. I quite like him on 8 out of 10 but that is largely because of the dynamic he has with the other regulars and the fact that he is toned down for TV.