@Fire No, there's no need to worry about your Erigeron with roses, as they do not have a dense enough ground cover.. it's seeding propensities on the other hand can be troublesome.. and you will find yourself inundated with them before too long... but they are easily removed..
..it's large, leafy plants that we need to be wary of..
Ah, I thought it was a rooting thing.... Is it not ok to shade out the base of a rose? What does it do?
I dream of erigeron self seeding in my garden. The only time I have had a seedling was half way up a plane tree outside my house. Very little that I want to self seed actually does. I live in hope.
The bees are getting crowded I think and to keep the hive cooler loads hung out outside until the sleet shower .During the thunder and sleet I potted on Thunbergia and pricked out CosmosAnd as this is a rose thread, I am pleased with theGenerous Gardener
@Fire The Dr Jamain is new this year, awaiting its arrival. Etoile dH only started taking off this year, no flowers last year at all! This year it has several buds forming so that’s exciting 🌹
@Marlorena That’s understandable. I’m getting my first jab this Sunday, hoping I escape the side effects 😵💫
..yes best of luck with that Omori... my husband never had any effects.. most don't I think..
@Tack I'm astonished by your beehive... I'm tempted to say it must be ''such fun'' to own one, but maybe not.. quite fascinating though..
@Fire .. it's the dense, large leafed stuff that can cause problems.. it can intimidate the rose from sending up basal growth, which we all want to see, by casting too much shade.. however, some strong growing roses, climbers and ramblers, don't always bat an eyelid... it just depends... I wouldn't plant too close to hybrid teas and floribundas for instance... big Austins, not so much a problem.. ..like this Lady of Shalott... not at all bothered by spreading but lightweight ground cover Delosperma with 2 nice basals that came up..
..I think your dreams will come true with Erigeron...
Lovely to see everyones rose progress! Most of mine are budding away slowly, not sure who will break first though - Im leaning towards it being "Rhapsody in Blue". Heres a few progress pics of "spring" in my little corner of nature meanwhile. You can see my huge rambler and Albertine over the shed leafing furiously! On the subject of Avian minions, the Dunnocks and sparrows are hard at work picking off the swarm of aphids hanging around. Robin and blackbird are making short work of any leather jackets and Chafer grubs I unearth.
On a related note... ive got a spot in one of my rose borders thats a bit shadier but still gets some sun and a rose would just pop in nicely... all yellows and stripey reds in that corner. I was looking at buff beauty, does anyone grow it, or is there another that might fit the bill of that tone and ok with a bit of shade?
@JessicaS ...I've been admiring your dragon... snake? in the grass - help me out here, I've already made one boo boo today... whatever it is..
..your location will be alright whichever shrub rose you choose... it's not suitable for hybrid teas quite so much... ..everyone likes Buff Beauty, I don't have it but I can show a rather poor photo growing in a shady location, if you want.. the canes do droop somewhat, especially after heavy rain, weighed down by the clusters, but otherwise it's excellent in every way, including scent.. ...an alternative, more upright, great for a vase, strongly scented with repeat bloom... is 'Westerland'.. maybe the colour might not be right... it has one drawback - big thorns... maybe you have this already ...?
...another yellow I strongly recommend for a shady position, much worse than you described is 'The Poet's Wife'... citrus scent and continuous bloom, absolutely... never without flowers.. rather gangly growth habit but it's worth putting up with if you have the space... 4-5 feet x as much across..
I am wary of planting any companions too soon, I feel it’s a good idea to let a young rose get it’s roots down for 6-12 months first and try and avoid any spreading ground cover. Not that I always follow that, it’s just to tempting, sometimes to pop something in. I’ve just removed Geranium Sanguineum Album planted 30cm from the base of a climbing rose because it was sending up shoots everywhere and seemed pretty invasive.
Like many of us, I do like plant to hide bare legs and create the effect that roses and perennials are intermingling. This mature trio of Lady Emma Hamilton looks as if it’s been swamped by the hemerocallis in front, probably exactly the kind of dense, strappy leaves you are talking about @Marlorena! However, the rose leafs out and occasionally sends up new basals before the hemerocallis gets going.
And looking underneath, there is actually 60cm between them at the base and the bottom of the rose gets sun from two sides. The Hemerocallis is creeping closer though, it’s leaves are starting to touch the rose foliage so I will divide and thin it in the autumn:
I guess there are no hard and fast rules, it depends on the plant and timings of growth. Perhaps I am too cautions sometimes. I am still experimenting with companions and just observe to see what works and whip out anything that seems to be invading or competing. If both seem happy and healthy, like above, I leave them be.
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@Nollie No, not really what I meant there.. your Hemerocallis is miles away from your rose, I wouldn't consider that a problem... this is what I mean.. now the Phormium doesn't mind, but imagine if this was a rose...
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@Marlorena That’s understandable. I’m getting my first jab this Sunday, hoping I escape the side effects 😵💫
@Tack
I'm astonished by your beehive... I'm tempted to say it must be ''such fun'' to own one, but maybe not.. quite fascinating though..
@Fire
.. it's the dense, large leafed stuff that can cause problems.. it can intimidate the rose from sending up basal growth, which we all want to see, by casting too much shade.. however, some strong growing roses, climbers and ramblers, don't always bat an eyelid... it just depends... I wouldn't plant too close to hybrid teas and floribundas for instance... big Austins, not so much a problem..
..like this Lady of Shalott... not at all bothered by spreading but lightweight ground cover Delosperma with 2 nice basals that came up..
..I think your dreams will come true with Erigeron...
On a related note... ive got a spot in one of my rose borders thats a bit shadier but still gets some sun and a rose would just pop in nicely... all yellows and stripey reds in that corner. I was looking at buff beauty, does anyone grow it, or is there another that might fit the bill of that tone and ok with a bit of shade?
...I've been admiring your dragon... snake? in the grass - help me out here, I've already made one boo boo today... whatever it is..
..your location will be alright whichever shrub rose you choose... it's not suitable for hybrid teas quite so much...
..everyone likes Buff Beauty, I don't have it but I can show a rather poor photo growing in a shady location, if you want.. the canes do droop somewhat, especially after heavy rain, weighed down by the clusters, but otherwise it's excellent in every way, including scent..
...an alternative, more upright, great for a vase, strongly scented with repeat bloom... is 'Westerland'.. maybe the colour might not be right... it has one drawback - big thorns... maybe you have this already ...?
...another yellow I strongly recommend for a shady position, much worse than you described is 'The Poet's Wife'... citrus scent and continuous bloom, absolutely... never without flowers.. rather gangly growth habit but it's worth putting up with if you have the space... 4-5 feet x as much across..
Like many of us, I do like plant to hide bare legs and create the effect that roses and perennials are intermingling. This mature trio of Lady Emma Hamilton looks as if it’s been swamped by the hemerocallis in front, probably exactly the kind of dense, strappy leaves you are talking about @Marlorena! However, the rose leafs out and occasionally sends up new basals before the hemerocallis gets going.
And looking underneath, there is actually 60cm between them at the base and the bottom of the rose gets sun from two sides. The Hemerocallis is creeping closer though, it’s leaves are starting to touch the rose foliage so I will divide and thin it in the autumn:
I guess there are no hard and fast rules, it depends on the plant and timings of growth. Perhaps I am too cautions sometimes. I am still experimenting with companions and just observe to see what works and whip out anything that seems to be invading or competing. If both seem happy and healthy, like above, I leave them be.
No, not really what I meant there.. your Hemerocallis is miles away from your rose, I wouldn't consider that a problem... this is what I mean.. now the Phormium doesn't mind, but imagine if this was a rose...