@Cambridgerose12 Isn't it an Hulthermia/Persica breed. I have 'eyes for you' which appears to be untouched by any blackspots or cold weather.
It is, hence the 'eyes'--there's a whole series of them. I haven't tried the rest. I think there may be 'Mutabilis' in this because the sequence of colour changes in the flowers is a telltale sign...
Yeah, nothings impossible, re you metal pot @Ditzy. Pots are tricky for me at all my climate, but I am increasingly gathering more. I position them in morning sun only and group them together where possible to provide some shade at the base. I have recently bought plastic pots to place inside ceramic ones, and Lizzie’s idea of insulation is a good one, I might wrap the plastic pots before inserting them to doubly insulate, but wonder if white plastic might be better to reflect the heat back out - in theory that should work, we’ll see!
Hi @Cambridgerose12, that’s very pretty, I have Eyes for You new this year, Hulthemia hybrids should do well here but every rose is an experiment. I have only had Astronomia a year, but it’s extremely healthy. The blooms are fairly short-lived and the petals can blow off in strong winds. It may improve with age. For old roses, https://www.pepiniere-rosesloubert.com/ have an extensive catalogue- I was very pleased with both my orders from them. Ducher is another French supplier I keep nearly ordering from - they have a good selection of heat-tolerant roses: https://roseraie-ducher.com/en/22-roses-for-hot-climate. Spanish rose suppliers are really poor.
Roughly whereabouts are you? My nearest big town is Olot, north-west of Girona. I really miss going to Perpignan for shopping and lunch on the coast or in Ceret. Hopefully things will open up soon!
Edited to say, Julia Child, aka Absolutely Fabulous, shrugs off intense heat, rain, humidity, everything. It does suddenly get blackspot quite badly later on in the season, but grows and blooms through it.
@Ditsy You might get away with growing a small English / Austin rose in it in a non-sunny but open position? For example, Susan Williams Ellis would look nice, white with the silver of your planter.
Planted 9 roses today, knackered 😴 I swear I used to have more energy than this 😓 I think I have 10 more left to put in, plus loads of perennials...I dunno what I was thinking this winter buying all this, I certainly gave future me, which is now present me, too much to do 🥴
@Nollie--Julia Child is lovely. I am a fan of Floribundas in general. I have two on my wish list, one is 'Centenaire de Lourdes' which I saw in Paris, and another is 'Radox Bouquet', which has a wonderful smell, but no-one seems to like it any more.
My house is not far from Dax, just on the edge of Basque country. Warmer than here in the UK but also very wet (twice the rainfall in winter that I get in Cambridge) and with some summer heatwaves. Have yet to do a proper explore of the soil, but I've contended with really awful conditions for roses in my current garden, and still have too many--one of the best has been 'Alain Blanchard'. Thanks so much for the nursery recommendations. I have also come across the sites for Lens, Meillard, and also Rosen Schultheiss in Germany which has a number of varieties I haven't seen in the UK.
@Omori ..9 is good going, I can only do 3... and even then I try to dig the holes the day before...
..is it me or do some posts take an age to appear..? I've only just noticed edhelka's post above mine earlier in reply to Elothir, it wasn't there when I posted... god knows how many posts I miss, one has to go through threads with a fine tooth comb, so to speak..
@Cambridgerose12 Up the right way for you now! Lovely pic. Had worked out how to do it so having a practice. Couldn't believe it actually worked as I don't often get anything right.
@Nollie ...pleased to see your Noella and Cramoisi coming along nicely... some photos of Noella on HMF appear to be of Marie N, but one of the differences I can see in your picture is that yours has thorns, Marie doesn't have any.. ..typical tea like, droopy foliage on your rose...
I've had two bare root roses arrive this morning Eustacia Vye and Kew gardens which unfortunately isn't mine. I've potted my EV up in a 15L pot for this year or part of this year unless I change my mind and keep it permanently in a pot then I'll get a nice fancy pot.
Kew garden on the left , Eustacia Vye looks a tad weedy compared to kew.
Got even better news I've been keeping my eye on the DA website just to see if Gabriel Oak suddenly come into stock, and it did and snapped it up Rapido last night . It was back out of stock again by today. I have got Desdemona on order in a pot and that sudden come back into stock in bare root , so I've queried DA this morning to change my pot desdemona to a bare root so Gabriel oak and Desdemona arrive together, and I get a small refund as well
My order from Binney plants arrived yesterday as well along with some Tropaeolum speciosum I got off ebay .
Thanks for the replies Edhelka and Marlorena, sorry for lack of detail, just wanted to avoid waffling on.
We're in SE England, soil is mostly clay though not bad drainage wise most of the time. Whilst there is more to do, that also involves other work and decisions first, so for the time being I'm trying to concentrate on just one section of the border which is roughly 6-7 foot long (I'll try and get it measured up properly. and the depth. when it isn't raining), which isn't massive I know, probably made it sound more dramatic than it actually is due to overthinking things. There is a shed at one end, so not sure if that complicates things. There is another bare patch about 2' long on the other side of the Hibiscus which is much drier and shadier so I'm still working out what if anything could go there.
As for how many plants I was thinking of, that really depends on what they are, whether to go with one big one or a few smaller ones or a mix etc. I had thought it might be an idea to go with a slightly shorter shrub (say 4'-5') immediately adjacent to the Hibiscus due to its shape (wider at the top than the bottom) and then go taller so maybe 2 or 3? There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice about spacing roses, though I imagine since we are thinking of deliberately growing them into one another it would be a tighter planting than usual.
As far as thorns go, it doesn't have to be very thorny necessarily, but it wouldn't be considered a bad thing.
@Cambridgerose12, ah, the other end of the Pyrenees from me, about a six hour drive, so I won’t be popping over for coffee then 😆 I get a reasonable amount of rain, massive summer monsoons sometimes, causing high humidity and disease pressures. You mentioning CdeL reminded me of https://www.georgesdelbard.com. I have two Delbards (Guy Savoy, Chartreuse de Parme) and have my eye on a couple of others.
@Marlorena, those two were planted straight in the ground, so I think they came through the freeze better than Mutabilis for that reason. Yes the confusion between Noella and Marie in the US is interesting, I did wonder whether it was the same in France, but I’m pleased to see I did get Noella. Meant to be highly heat tolerant and vigorous so hopefully ideal for that difficult spot where red climbers usually go to die.
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Hi @Cambridgerose12, that’s very pretty, I have Eyes for You new this year, Hulthemia hybrids should do well here but every rose is an experiment. I have only had Astronomia a year, but it’s extremely healthy. The blooms are fairly short-lived and the petals can blow off in strong winds. It may improve with age. For old roses, https://www.pepiniere-rosesloubert.com/ have an extensive catalogue- I was very pleased with both my orders from them. Ducher is another French supplier I keep nearly ordering from - they have a good selection of heat-tolerant roses: https://roseraie-ducher.com/en/22-roses-for-hot-climate. Spanish rose suppliers are really poor.
Roughly whereabouts are you? My nearest big town is Olot, north-west of Girona. I really miss going to Perpignan for shopping and lunch on the coast or in Ceret. Hopefully things will open up soon!
Edited to say, Julia Child, aka Absolutely Fabulous, shrugs off intense heat, rain, humidity, everything. It does suddenly get blackspot quite badly later on in the season, but grows and blooms through it.
Oh and snap re Eyes for You, @cooldoc2000!
My house is not far from Dax, just on the edge of Basque country. Warmer than here in the UK but also very wet (twice the rainfall in winter that I get in Cambridge) and with some summer heatwaves. Have yet to do a proper explore of the soil, but I've contended with really awful conditions for roses in my current garden, and still have too many--one of the best has been 'Alain Blanchard'. Thanks so much for the nursery recommendations. I have also come across the sites for Lens, Meillard, and also Rosen Schultheiss in Germany which has a number of varieties I haven't seen in the UK.
..9 is good going, I can only do 3... and even then I try to dig the holes the day before...
..is it me or do some posts take an age to appear..? I've only just noticed edhelka's post above mine earlier in reply to Elothir, it wasn't there when I posted... god knows how many posts I miss, one has to go through threads with a fine tooth comb, so to speak..
@Cambridgerose12 Up the right way for you now!
...pleased to see your Noella and Cramoisi coming along nicely... some photos of Noella on HMF appear to be of Marie N, but one of the differences I can see in your picture is that yours has thorns, Marie doesn't have any..
..typical tea like, droopy foliage on your rose...
Kew garden on the left , Eustacia Vye looks a tad weedy compared to kew.
Got even better news I've been keeping my eye on the DA website just to see if Gabriel Oak suddenly come into stock, and it did and snapped it up Rapido
My order from Binney plants arrived yesterday as well along with some Tropaeolum speciosum I got off ebay .
We're in SE England, soil is mostly clay though not bad drainage wise most of the time. Whilst there is more to do, that also involves other work and decisions first, so for the time being I'm trying to concentrate on just one section of the border which is roughly 6-7 foot long (I'll try and get it measured up properly. and the depth. when it isn't raining), which isn't massive I know, probably made it sound more dramatic than it actually is due to overthinking things. There is a shed at one end, so not sure if that complicates things. There is another bare patch about 2' long on the other side of the Hibiscus which is much drier and shadier so I'm still working out what if anything could go there.
As for how many plants I was thinking of, that really depends on what they are, whether to go with one big one or a few smaller ones or a mix etc. I had thought it might be an idea to go with a slightly shorter shrub (say 4'-5') immediately adjacent to the Hibiscus due to its shape (wider at the top than the bottom) and then go taller so maybe 2 or 3? There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice about spacing roses, though I imagine since we are thinking of deliberately growing them into one another it would be a tighter planting than usual.
As far as thorns go, it doesn't have to be very thorny necessarily, but it wouldn't be considered a bad thing.