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..the new ROSE season 2020...

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  • KatsaKatsa Posts: 278
    @Marlorena how do old roses cope with a bit of shade (i.e. caused by trees/buildings)? I've been looking at Boule de Neige, Comte de Chambord, Jacques Cartier and Louise Odier. Have you any experience with them in pots and/or partial shade?

  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    @Katsa
    ...I've grown 3 of those, but not Boule de Neige... I have Comte de Chambord in shade currently, doing very well.. Jacques Cartier I've grown in partial shade - not a problem...  Louise Odier, I'm not certain... it's too good and my rose is in full sun, where I think it belongs... but it's all worth a try and see.. shade from buildings isn't something  I worry about at all, in the main...and I will put most roses there, except hybrid tea roses... they really are not meant for that location..

    ...I've not grown any of those in pots Katsa, so I cannot advise on that one.. but generally, Old Roses like these are not usually seen in pots... I think most people who grow Old Roses would say to leave your pots for modern roses, some Austins etc.. and keep your old fashioned types in the ground... 
    East Anglia, England
  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,674
    @peteS You can get ground spikes for the legs, also it helps to get a heavier duty one rather than the cheap thin ones. I wouldn’t put one in a very exposed site but maybe some members have more advice on obelisks. 
  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,674
    @Katsa If it helps, I have a Boule de Neige and Louise Odier in a bed that gets morning sun, and then shade until late afternoon, when it gets sun again. 
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    @Omori
    ...I meant to add how gorgeous your roses are, the two being discussed earlier... thanks for providing some evidence of how lovely they are really..
    East Anglia, England
  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,674
    Thank you Marlorena!
  • KatsaKatsa Posts: 278
    @Marlorena and @Omori - Thank you for your advice! I've come across Cottage-Memories which seems to have a good selection of old roses in stock for very reasonable prices so I'm tempted to order Comte de Chambourd and Louise Odier. There's a spot for these roses to grow in the ground which gets early morning sun, midday sun and a little in the evening, so I would say it should be okay. I think these're space for two max so will have to make the hard decision of which two to buy!




  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    Cottage Memories are very good, they are in my area.... the late racehorse trainer Sir Henry Cecil, who you may never have heard of but he was a great advocate of old fashioned roses, used to get his from them... He lived in Newmarket, Suffolk...
    East Anglia, England
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    I read over the weekend that most roses need at least five hours of sunshine a day, but presumably some roses could manage on less than that.
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • Jason-3Jason-3 Posts: 391
    Does anyone know of a reliable seller of old roses that isn't beals or Austin...or Trevor White. That has any availability and you don't have to wait 4 weeks 😜 not that I don't want much haha
    TW has all but sold out, beals has a 4 week wait and DA has limited potted variety for old roses
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