@Nollie ...what's this hard winter you've heard about Nollie? I've not seen that but I know we're due for one... it's been 10 years since anything I could describe as a hard winter in this area.. I lost 2 roses in pots at that time, but both were new bare roots with thin canes and they were outside.. I don't normally offer any protection to established potted roses outside in larger pots, but I would certainly offer some protection for your plastic potted roses... in my cold greenhouse which freezes, I do throw fleece covers over them, and those cuttings I would consider bringing them in overnight.. I do that with delicate plants of any sort really..
I had an unexpected delivery today from Beales, didn't get a notification, but I think this has happened before. Courier was just about to chuck them back in the van so good job I answered the door. From left, President Armand Zinsch, Ambassador Nogami, Highgrove (climber) and Countess of Wessex. I cast an extra-beady eye over them after Nollie's recent experience but I think they're all good.
A fun gardening weekend coming up as I also have some sale bulbs to plant and I can also finish off the front garden perennials now I have these roses.
@Marlorena, thanks for confirming, I did wonder whether those little pots needed protection, so will get on to that. The forecast cold winter was in various press, saying it was going to be the coldest since 2012, but long-range forecasts like that are not always reliable, so who knows what we will actually get. Frost has certainly hit here much earlier than usual, but not quite at freezing yet, thankfully.
@Victoria Sponge yours look MUCH better than mine, perhaps PB have been reading this thread 😆
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Weather is so strange really. We haven't got any proper frost here so far. I cut down dahlias and tidied them up for winter as they were looking all battered anyway.
Today i saw couple of camellia buds opening. This year they had started flowering in Jan which itself felt early and now again starting.
@Nollie's q has prompted one of my own : if Nollie growing on bare roots in 6L pots , when I get my delivery ( hopefully by mid dec) is it ok for me to pot into 6-8 L pots in the back ( those plastic deep rose pot shape, so can move in and out of the house if gets too cold ) before I transfer to their final pots in the front courtyard in early spring? Was just thinking the final ( 40-60 litre ) pots are way too big for me to move around having taken advice on this forum re pot size needed and fleece is going to look pretty ugly by front door if new bare roots need protection.
40-60l pots should be big enough to protect the roots, at least in London, I would think. Small pots can freeze if there is an overnight frost (and it makes sense to insulate) but how long would a 40l pot need? Days of continuous temperatures under 0, I think.
@Desi_in_London ..Hi Desi,.. ...yes by all means pot them up in those plastic pots.. they're much easier to deal with.. and you can transplant by mid March into the larger pots, they will still be bare roots by then and won't have made much growth, so just tip them out and repot... if you leave them any longer in the plastic pots then transplanting would have to be left until late June when they will have a rootball..
..however, if your new roses are in good shape i.e. they have pencil thick canes, there's really nothing to stop you potting them in final pots, and I wouldn't bother using fleece to protect in that size of pot, not in our climate, and I see you're in London, so really there's nothing at all to worry about for you regarding cold hardiness of your roses.. ...the rootstock used here is hardy to -30C... and the canes of the roses are usually hardy to at least -20C.. most of them... I might have one or two that are less hardy but I doubt that you will, and roses in pots are going to be more cold sensitive than in the ground, but really it's no concern for you, or most anyone else here really, as we just don't get cold enough to threaten most of our roses... but if they are in thin plastic pots, then it's not ideal for the whole pot to freeze for any length of time, I wouldn't want that to happen as it could be detrimental..
..so as I say, you can pot them straight into their final large pots if you wish and forget about them, or use the plastic ones as a temp. measure.. and protect these as and when necessary..
@Victoria Sponge ...those are all good looking bare roots from Beales [kudos to them on this occasion].. ..those names are familiar, I've often looked at one or two of those in the past so looking forward to seeing how they do for you..
Thanks @Marlorena for your usual kind advice on protecting roses in pots or not. We haven't had a really cold winter here since about 2014 I think so fingers crossed for this one.
@Marlorena and @edhelka thank you both for your thoughts . Yes I am in London so unless we have another beast from the east I doubt we will have much below -2 or -3 C even on the coldest nights. I very much appreciate how you rose experts are generous with your knowledge to a newcomer like me.
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...what's this hard winter you've heard about Nollie? I've not seen that but I know we're due for one... it's been 10 years since anything I could describe as a hard winter in this area.. I lost 2 roses in pots at that time, but both were new bare roots with thin canes and they were outside.. I don't normally offer any protection to established potted roses outside in larger pots, but I would certainly offer some protection for your plastic potted roses... in my cold greenhouse which freezes, I do throw fleece covers over them, and those cuttings I would consider bringing them in overnight.. I do that with delicate plants of any sort really..
From left, President Armand Zinsch, Ambassador Nogami, Highgrove (climber) and Countess of Wessex. I cast an extra-beady eye over them after Nollie's recent experience but I think they're all good.
A fun gardening weekend coming up as I also have some sale bulbs to plant and I can also finish off the front garden perennials now I have these roses.
@Victoria Sponge yours look MUCH better than mine, perhaps PB have been reading this thread 😆
Today i saw couple of camellia buds opening. This year they had started flowering in Jan which itself felt early and now again starting.
..Hi Desi,..
...yes by all means pot them up in those plastic pots.. they're much easier to deal with.. and you can transplant by mid March into the larger pots, they will still be bare roots by then and won't have made much growth, so just tip them out and repot... if you leave them any longer in the plastic pots then transplanting would have to be left until late June when they will have a rootball..
..however, if your new roses are in good shape i.e. they have pencil thick canes, there's really nothing to stop you potting them in final pots, and I wouldn't bother using fleece to protect in that size of pot, not in our climate, and I see you're in London, so really there's nothing at all to worry about for you regarding cold hardiness of your roses..
...the rootstock used here is hardy to -30C... and the canes of the roses are usually hardy to at least -20C.. most of them... I might have one or two that are less hardy but I doubt that you will, and roses in pots are going to be more cold sensitive than in the ground, but really it's no concern for you, or most anyone else here really, as we just don't get cold enough to threaten most of our roses... but if they are in thin plastic pots, then it's not ideal for the whole pot to freeze for any length of time, I wouldn't want that to happen as it could be detrimental..
..so as I say, you can pot them straight into their final large pots if you wish and forget about them, or use the plastic ones as a temp. measure.. and protect these as and when necessary..
...those are all good looking bare roots from Beales [kudos to them on this occasion].. ..those names are familiar, I've often looked at one or two of those in the past so looking forward to seeing how they do for you..