@Marlorena I have 4 new cuttings from pruning of a climbing rose about a month ago. As can be seen there are some good shoots developing but I assume that as yet there will be no root development (this remains a mystery to me how rose cuttings can support growth without any significant root development !) Anyway, I wondered whether, rather than keeping them in this small pot for a year and then replanting, would it be better to remove 2 of these cuttings now and replant them in a position where they can develop and stay permanently or will they not stand being disturbed?
@owd potter The risk is yours to take as you only did these a month ago... I've lost cuttings by transplanting too early, however the one lower right seems to be doing well... I might risk that one... but all those stems could just as easily turn black and die at some point.. they are responding to light and heat and living off nutrients in the stems... Can you see little white roots coming out the bottom of the pot?... if not, I would leave them until you do...
Did you know you can take tip cuttings at this time? take a vigorous young shoot from your favoured rose, like the one in owd potters picture above, lower right... remove from stem, put in small pot gritty compost, water in, sheltered shady spot... wait and see...
@Marlorena yes I recall you telling me something similar after I had a blood rush and transplanted cuttings early previously (which appear to be doing OK as yet incidentally), so thought I would take your advice first this time. No roots showing as yet. I'm trying to keep them well watered in this dry spell but I am aware that this may slip so I think I might chance moving one of these cuttings now. Many thanks
@Marlorena That’s interesting, I’d love to give that a go. Would you recommend removing all the leaves from the new shoot/tip? Also should I leave it in a shady spot indoor or outside?
@celcius_kkw This is something David Austins told me about which I've never actually tried myself, so I've had to look up my notes to clarify... they said it was the best type of cutting to do... I've only ever taken cuttings in the autumn..
You do need a longer cutting than I said earlier.. about 6 inches long and it should be cut internodal... i.e. between buds...and a vigorous growing young shoot.. leave a couple of leaves on the top, no flower buds.. dip into hormone rooting powder and then into a pot of gritty compost about half its depth, cover with plastic bag and it seems it's best to supply bottom heat, but if you don't have a propagator then greenhouse or outside in shady spot...
As I say, I've never done it.. so you're on your own there... best of luck if you try it..
I was going to have a go at this but doing the cuttings in water to see how they do, as part of the ‘plants that root in water’ thread experiment.
I’ve seen online that this works with roses.
Ive had no success with cuttings in the traditional edges of a gritty compost pot manner. Even with plants that are supposedly very easy to do! So I’ve been doing everything in water as I can see what’s happening.
Taking in season cuttings is a technique I’ve yet to master! I don’t know why it eludes me. I’d consider myself a fairly competent amateur gardener and I’m good at following instructions. It just doesn’t work!!!
Hard wood worked though, that was nice and easy!
@owd potter - plants store a lot of energy for regrowth in their stems. That’s why my fruit tree prunings started leafing out several weeks after being cut! Amazing things plants.
@Marlorena That makes sense, thank you for taking the time to explain. What do you think about seaweed extract? I’ve read that it helps plants have a stronger resistance to diseases, and as I’m not spraying fungicide etc, I was wondering if a foliar feed of seaweed extract would help.
This is from David Austin (for this particular product they sell):
Maxicrop seaweed fertiliser is a liquid seaweed extract that stimulates rooting and helps to maintain natural plant health in your roses. Seaweed contains a range of excellent nutrients to replenish deficiencies and generally strengthen your roses, allowing them to thrive. Ideal for providing an extra boost during the growing season.
Size: 500ml
Approved for Organic growing by the Soil Association
Regular use helps protect against environmental stress, pests and diseases
Use as a foliar spray on roses
Apply throughout the growing season
This is from the RHS:
‘Seaweed is rich in trace elements (nutrients that plants only need small amounts of) including iron, manganese, zinc, copper and boron, which are often lacking in common fertilisers such as Growmore and fish, blood & bone, but which are nevertheless important for plant health...Some liquid seaweed fertilisers may be applied as foliar feeds, where the nutrients are sprayed onto the foliage and taken up through the leaves.’
...it gets recommended by everybody, including me... I use it as a soil drench though, I've not tried as a foliar feed... I cannot say for certain if it works, who can really, but I tested it on two roses, 1 x Munstead Wood which was a slow coach at the time, and a climbing rose.... both roses went on to produce strong basal growth …. I could say it was due to more watering than usual... but I'd like to think it was due to this..
..the problem with recommendations from people like DA is that they will usually recommend only what they sell, and want to sell..whether it's their own bred roses or other products... for instance if you ask them for a spray they will recommend SB Invigorator... I think it's a bit like Uncle Tom's Rose Tonic... and I have to admit if I was a sprayer I would probably use this SB product although it doesn't treat black spot..
@Mr. Vine Eye I know what you mean re cuttings... I have problems too, as I'm too impatient.. My favourite way of propagation, and I've even done this with a rose successfully, is to take what old timers called 'Irishman's cuttings'... whereby you remove a piece of stem with some root attached... I do this all the time, as it gives you an instant result, a new plant without having to wait... I once yanked off a basal cane from a rose - bit like your sucker - and it came off with a bit of rootstock attached... it soon grew into a nice new rose with no effort.. not often you can do that mind..
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I have 4 new cuttings from pruning of a climbing rose about a month ago.
As can be seen there are some good shoots developing but I assume that as yet there will be no root development (this remains a mystery to me how rose cuttings can support growth without any significant root development !)
Anyway, I wondered whether, rather than keeping them in this small pot for a year and then replanting, would it be better to remove 2 of these cuttings now and replant them in a position where they can develop and stay permanently or will they not stand being disturbed?
The risk is yours to take as you only did these a month ago... I've lost cuttings by transplanting too early, however the one lower right seems to be doing well... I might risk that one... but all those stems could just as easily turn black and die at some point.. they are responding to light and heat and living off nutrients in the stems...
Can you see little white roots coming out the bottom of the pot?... if not, I would leave them until you do...
yes I recall you telling me something similar after I had a blood rush and transplanted cuttings early previously (which appear to be doing OK as yet incidentally), so thought I would take your advice first this time.
No roots showing as yet. I'm trying to keep them well watered in this dry spell but I am aware that this may slip so I think I might chance moving one of these cuttings now.
Many thanks
This is something David Austins told me about which I've never actually tried myself, so I've had to look up my notes to clarify... they said it was the best type of cutting to do... I've only ever taken cuttings in the autumn..
You do need a longer cutting than I said earlier.. about 6 inches long and it should be cut internodal... i.e. between buds...and a vigorous growing young shoot.. leave a couple of leaves on the top, no flower buds.. dip into hormone rooting powder and then into a pot of gritty compost about half its depth, cover with plastic bag and it seems it's best to supply bottom heat, but if you don't have a propagator then greenhouse or outside in shady spot...
As I say, I've never done it.. so you're on your own there... best of luck if you try it..
I’ve seen online that this works with roses.
Ive had no success with cuttings in the traditional edges of a gritty compost pot manner. Even with plants that are supposedly very easy to do! So I’ve been doing everything in water as I can see what’s happening.
Taking in season cuttings is a technique I’ve yet to master! I don’t know why it eludes me. I’d consider myself a fairly competent amateur gardener and I’m good at following instructions. It just doesn’t work!!!
Hard wood worked though, that was nice and easy!
@owd potter - plants store a lot of energy for regrowth in their stems. That’s why my fruit tree prunings started leafing out several weeks after being cut! Amazing things plants.
Maxicrop seaweed fertiliser is a liquid seaweed extract that stimulates rooting and helps to maintain natural plant health in your roses. Seaweed contains a range of excellent nutrients to replenish deficiencies and generally strengthen your roses, allowing them to thrive. Ideal for providing an extra boost during the growing season.
Size: 500ml
...it gets recommended by everybody, including me... I use it as a soil drench though, I've not tried as a foliar feed... I cannot say for certain if it works, who can really, but I tested it on two roses, 1 x Munstead Wood which was a slow coach at the time, and a climbing rose.... both roses went on to produce strong basal growth …. I could say it was due to more watering than usual... but I'd like to think it was due to this..
..the problem with recommendations from people like DA is that they will usually recommend only what they sell, and want to sell..whether it's their own bred roses or other products... for instance if you ask them for a spray they will recommend SB Invigorator... I think it's a bit like Uncle Tom's Rose Tonic... and I have to admit if I was a sprayer I would probably use this SB product although it doesn't treat black spot..
My favourite way of propagation, and I've even done this with a rose successfully, is to take what old timers called 'Irishman's cuttings'... whereby you remove a piece of stem with some root attached... I do this all the time, as it gives you an instant result, a new plant without having to wait... I once yanked off a basal cane from a rose - bit like your sucker - and it came off with a bit of rootstock attached... it soon grew into a nice new rose with no effort.. not often you can do that mind..
I've just done it with some Penstemons..