Thanks @edhelka, I’m a bit wary about modern French roses too, simply because I can’t find many reviews of them and they don’t seem to feature much in awards. Not that awards are everything but it’s at least an indication of healthy breeding. Yes some of those on the petales de roses site are pretty vivid! I love the fact that you experiment though and look forward to hearing how Agnes S does for you.
@Mr. Vine Eye your garden is looking fabulous as ever. Scarborough Fair is a rose that is growing on me the more I see it.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@evelin I had the same problem with my climbing honeysuckle. I tried for 5 years moving it to different spots but continually got mildew so I binned it last month. I did have a bush one years ago that never had any problems.
Thank you @poppyfield64. I was planning to move mine, but after reading about your experience I'm not sure. Still looking for replacement, still not wiser.
@Katsa ...I recommend The Lark Ascending for your position between the trees.. it glows from a distance, and is best seen from a window.. at least 6 foot.. blooms all the time.. ..Jude has a scent to inspire anybody... my small plant is repeating quite well..
@micmarg ..that's really clever, thank you, and nice to see someone with a keen interest in lineage...one of the most interesting names on that list for me is 'Yellow Cushion'..
... just a little tidbit of history for you which you may not read anywhere online, but New Dawn was initially discovered in 1926 by a man called Henry Bosenberg, a nurseryman from New Jersey, U.S... he bought 12 plants of its parent 'Dr W. Van Fleet'.. he sold 11 of them but kept a 12th heeled in, in a field... it bloomed as normal one summer then he noticed it carried on flowering into November.. HMF records it being discovered in 1930 but that's when it was introduced.. it was just in time for the new Plant Patent bill, so became the first plant of any sort to be patented.. Mr Bosenberg sold the rights to a larger nursery in Philadelphia called Henry Dreer and Co. so they go down as the introducer of this rose.. Imagine Mr Bosenberg's excitement, incredulous I should think, when seeing it repeat bloom so unexpectedly.. because everyone knew Dr W Van Fleet did not repeat..
The UK did not introduce plant patent rights until 1964, something which breeders like David Austin benefit from considerably, and without which, they would not be able to invest in their extensive breeding programmes the way they do, as it allows them to control who sells their roses, and to claim royalties from them..
I should add, I'm amazed you've had this rose for 50 years, that's some doing... well done.. my roses won't get anything like that long..
@edhelka, very exciting of you getting General Schablikine , this is for so long on my list that I doubt I will ever have it. It will be nice to looked at yours.
Regarding the rest of your order: Chippendale usually grows much bigger than it is supposed to, usually growing a long canes after the first flowering, so put it somewhere where it will have a place to grow, I'll have to move mine. The colour is lovely, very changeable depending on the weather. Quite disease resistant, smell is not so strong.
I also have some of the Massad/Guillot roses so I can add my twopence. Well, some of them are fine, disease resistant, some not. I live in a place, where all sorts of roses fungal diseases thrive, from rust, downy mildew and BS. Paul Bocuse is one of the last one of my roses to succumb to BS in the autumn. It grows quite big and flashy, and I like it. It is quite solid rose, a bit of HT but not exactly. Versigny is opposite, quite dainty, a bit of like David Austin roses, Graham Thomas being one of its parent. Lovely colour but bleached easily in the sun. Almost died last winter, suffered from some fungal dieback. Had a lot of BS as well. Then Emillien Guillot, quite stiff kind of rose, like Paul Bocuse, but not so vigorous in growth and flowering. Helpmefind rated it excellent, but is bare this year, had such a terrible BS after first flowering and it remained like that for the last 2months. Agnes hasn't survived her first season, so cannot tell much. Those roses are 2-3 years old, so I'm aware they may need more time.
Regarding resistance to BS I have some Kordes/Tantau roses, and some are not resistent at all, event though they are supposed to be. Recon it's different kind of BS in UK:D
@Katsa ..thank you.. that's kind, but that's already been done by those who have forgotten more about roses than I will ever know really... like all of you, I'm still learning too, we never stop, but I try to make it readable... there's a lot of snobbery in rose gardening, and some writers unfortunately show it all the way through... not naming names mind..
... just a little tidbit of history for you which you may not read anywhere online, but New Dawn was initially discovered in 1926 by a man called Henry Bosenberg,
I should add, I'm amazed you've had this rose for 50 years, that's some doing... well done.. my roses won't get anything like that long..
@Marlorena Thank you, thank you for that New Dawn tidbit..... I'm thrilled to be able to add it to the pedigree.
Apart from Abraham Derby, that Yellow Cushion had 2 memorable children, Southampton and Marie Curie as well as others .
I'm so pleased that Henry Bosenberg's 12th seedling produced all these beautiful roses. It's like I have a part of history!
I have a few roses between 35 and 40 years old and they haven't really been looked after that well and also grow in part shade. Maybe it's the 280 years of leafmould in the garden.
@micmarg ...delighted you find it useful, and thanks to you too !... your garden clearly has soil to die for, ..what I would give for that..
@Mr. Vine Eye ..not to forget your wonderful photos... please advise which has the best scent, Emily Bronte or Gabriel Oak.. [GO's comes from the stamens]..
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You will love your Lady Emma:)
...I recommend The Lark Ascending for your position between the trees.. it glows from a distance, and is best seen from a window.. at least 6 foot.. blooms all the time..
..Jude has a scent to inspire anybody... my small plant is repeating quite well..
@micmarg
..that's really clever, thank you, and nice to see someone with a keen interest in lineage...one of the most interesting names on that list for me is 'Yellow Cushion'..
... just a little tidbit of history for you which you may not read anywhere online, but New Dawn was initially discovered in 1926 by a man called Henry Bosenberg, a nurseryman from New Jersey, U.S... he bought 12 plants of its parent 'Dr W. Van Fleet'.. he sold 11 of them but kept a 12th heeled in, in a field... it bloomed as normal one summer then he noticed it carried on flowering into November.. HMF records it being discovered in 1930 but that's when it was introduced.. it was just in time for the new Plant Patent bill, so became the first plant of any sort to be patented.. Mr Bosenberg sold the rights to a larger nursery in Philadelphia called Henry Dreer and Co. so they go down as the introducer of this rose..
Imagine Mr Bosenberg's excitement, incredulous I should think, when seeing it repeat bloom so unexpectedly.. because everyone knew Dr W Van Fleet did not repeat..
The UK did not introduce plant patent rights until 1964, something which breeders like David Austin benefit from considerably, and without which, they would not be able to invest in their extensive breeding programmes the way they do, as it allows them to control who sells their roses, and to claim royalties from them..
I should add, I'm amazed you've had this rose for 50 years, that's some doing... well done.. my roses won't get anything like that long..
Also have you ever considered writing a book on the history of roses? The stories you tell make them come alive
Regarding the rest of your order: Chippendale usually grows much bigger than it is supposed to, usually growing a long canes after the first flowering, so put it somewhere where it will have a place to grow, I'll have to move mine. The colour is lovely, very changeable depending on the weather. Quite disease resistant, smell is not so strong.
I also have some of the Massad/Guillot roses so I can add my twopence.
Well, some of them are fine, disease resistant, some not.
I live in a place, where all sorts of roses fungal diseases thrive, from rust, downy mildew and BS. Paul Bocuse is one of the last one of my roses to succumb to BS in the autumn. It grows quite big and flashy, and I like it. It is quite solid rose, a bit of HT but not exactly. Versigny is opposite, quite dainty, a bit of like David Austin roses, Graham Thomas being one of its parent. Lovely colour but bleached easily in the sun. Almost died last winter, suffered from some fungal dieback. Had a lot of BS as well.
Then Emillien Guillot, quite stiff kind of rose, like Paul Bocuse, but not so vigorous in growth and flowering. Helpmefind rated it excellent, but is bare this year, had such a terrible BS after first flowering and it remained like that for the last 2months.
Agnes hasn't survived her first season, so cannot tell much. Those roses are 2-3 years old, so I'm aware they may need more time.
Regarding resistance to BS I have some Kordes/Tantau roses, and some are not resistent at all, event though they are supposed to be. Recon it's different kind of BS in UK:D
..thank you.. that's kind, but that's already been done by those who have forgotten more about roses than I will ever know really... like all of you, I'm still learning too, we never stop, but I try to make it readable... there's a lot of snobbery in rose gardening, and some writers unfortunately show it all the way through... not naming names mind..
...delighted you find it useful, and thanks to you too !... your garden clearly has soil to die for, ..what I would give for that..
@Mr. Vine Eye
..not to forget your wonderful photos... please advise which has the best scent, Emily Bronte or Gabriel Oak.. [GO's comes from the stamens]..