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..the new ROSE season 2020...

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  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    @Ashtse1969

    No, not suckers...  so no problems...  nice to see some basal growth...
    East Anglia, England
  • micearguersmicearguers Posts: 646
    @Ashtse1969 @Marlorena I'm pretty sure Marlorena previously said that if the growth is red-tinged it is the cultivated rose, not suckers from the rootstock. Very useful!
  • Ah Ffloxglove, I was just about to post the same thing! My Susie arrived and I too was disappointed. This is a 4.5 litre pot and thought it looked rather spindly and some of the leaves were a little spotty looking.  Was expecting something more since there were labelled as Chelsea stock  :/
    Susie grows quite quickly, so don’t despair 😊
    This is mine - now three years old and was lightly trimmed last autumn. Grows happily in a large pot at a west facing wall. 

    The tulips are growing in the same pot - as I need to safe space in my tiny garden 😊



    And this is a flower from last April 


    Surrey
  • @Marlorena thank you !!!! It’s good to see them growing ! Roses keep us company while STAY AT HOME. Please keep safe everyone :)
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    Does anyone know which rose is used for standard tree stems? Its suckers are red :) And is it a different rose for the stem and for roots? My Super Excelsa looks like it has a budding union between the roots and the stem (and then of course 3 roses budded on the top of the stem).
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    You would have to ask the supplier of your rose of course but what you are describing is not unusual..
    Some nurseries use 2 different rootstocks for Standards... one that goes in the ground and onto that is grafted a different rose, what is termed the 'interstem' that forms the 4 foot stem, so you would see a graft union both near the base and at the top, so in effect you can have 3 different roses going on there..  suckers from the interstem may be red..

    So they don't have to spend time de-thorning, rootstocks that produce thornless canes are used, like Rosa canina 'inermis' for instance, 'Multiflora' or 'Laxa'...  but I really wouldn't know for sure.. Multiflora is used more for the show bench...
     
    East Anglia, England
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    @Marlorena Thank you. It's from Beales. The need for a thornless stem makes sense.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    aah ok.. Beales…  I thought it might be one you got from The Netherlands..
    … the late Amanda Beales, who bred Clarence House, told me years ago, must be 12-15 years I should think, that they used Multiflora as the interstem as it produces thornless stiff upright stems, which is grafted onto 'Laxa'... this is because 'Laxa' grows on anything, so that is the rootstock that gets planted in the ground, and Multiflora which is intolerant of alkaline soils which are so prevalent in this country, used as the interstem...

    Of course Beales have changed hands, and I've no idea what they do today..
    East Anglia, England
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,394
    Interesting info re grafting standards. Proper Frankenstein monsters!
    East Yorkshire
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,394
    Re: Feeding

    Are you supposed to feed newish roses, or is it just when they’re more mature and fully established?

    Should I maybe feed my 2nd year roses but not the newer ones? Or even leave til next year?

    I ask because I know, from reading, that overfeeding can actually be harmful and therefore worse than not feeding at all. Also I know that some plants are best not being fed when they’re just getting established.
    East Yorkshire
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