..that looks pristiine Jason... ...some lovely roses further above, all beautifully photographed too..
@Lizzie27 ..I know what you mean about Jasmina... my experience was the same, very thorny, coarse and droopy... I think that rose is best sited growing through a small tree where it can hang down without going near it.. I only kept it 2 seasons..
I had quite forgotten I had Wollerton Old Hall... I don't want to persuade or dissuade but if you are registered on Instagram, you might want to check out Steve Parnham's page... he's the head gardener at DA, and recently put up some photos and video of WOH on late Mr Austin's house wall... link below.. ...of course they cheat as they have planted 2 'WOH's' just a few feet apart, which makes it look one very large floriferous rose, when in fact it's two... and I think I know why, because when I had it, I found it was full of massive growth, but not so many blooms for the size of the plant, so growing 2 together rectifies that.. ...and just a little bit more clever artwork, they have a 'The Pilgrim' coming in from the right all over the top, which makes the whole wall even more flowerful.. https://www.instagram.com/steve_parnham/
I think I will get a vigorous rambler for my pergola and move 'The Generous Gardener' to the front, to grow on a wall next to a window and around it. I think it's less frustrating to have something vigorous and prune it than to have something slow-growing and wait for ages for it to grow. Wichurana ramblers are high on the list and also some of the more vigorous noisettes.
I used to have a Claire Austin, @Katsa, on the south facing fence for four years and got rid of it last autumn. It was very healthy with no black spots and little thorns but too vigorous for me. I used to cut a lot of new growth in the middle of summer (hard prune in February) and it soon regrew. In the end I couldn’t cope and she had to go. Flowers buds started in cream and opened in white. As someone mentioned earlier, they are incurve (?) so there are lots of petals that did not last long. After the first flush, flowers got smaller (probably because I didn’t’ feed her, believing she doesn’t need any food for her energy). Fragrance was good, but not very strong. Sorry it sounds all negative but I think liking or disliking a rose is very much down to personal taste.
I didn’t know much about roses before I bought my first roses 5 years ago. I chose all my roses on the basis of photos and description only and ended up getting rid of many of them. I wish I had consulted this forum but then I thought I was making the right choices.
I am really enjoying the photos of gorgeous roses and posts in this thread, so thank you all!
I'm on there too @Omori. Thanks @Marlorena, it was really helpful to see it in situ so to speak. I'm wondering if iceberg may actually be a better option than WOH or CA? I think white is the best option for where it is, and I've not heard a bad word about that rose? Or mme Alfred carriere (which I think is a wichurana rambler @edhelka ? EDIT: I was getting it confused with Alberic Barnier! EDIT: Barbier! Not Barbier DYPT 😜)
@Sammymummy , your perspective is also really helpful. I live in the Peak, so not sure it'll be too vigorous, but I'm mindful to take description and images with a pinch of salt. Helpmefind is an excellent resource!
I'm definitely going to get amnesty international. That's a name I can get behind 😂
And I agree with @Nollie, I need other colours in the garden. Reckon pink and yellow work? Aloha 1949 gets ace reviews, but not sure if it's clash with yellow.
Anyway, here's some photos of roses I already have!
Felisande de Ghislaine
English Miss
Gospel/Proper Job (a bit crispy cos of the sun)
Papworths pride
Comte de Chambord (not a happy rose as it seems to just want to ball)
..thanks.. I'll look out for you too... I should post something there soon... sometimes I think it can be all a bit 'glam' on Instagram, not sure if it's totally my thing.. I look at some members roses and gardens and I wonder why I'm bothering to post mine...lol..
Felisande de Ghislaine... Katsa I love that twist on the name...
I think if I had your pergola, I would want to grow roses that never get mentioned, that I don't know anyone who has them, I would take a chance on something different... I find there's nothing more disconcerting than growing a rose everyone else has, then finding that they grow it a darn sight better than I do...
Lol! I had completely missed that typo! 🙈 I feel like you've got my vibe @Marlorena. I do seem drawn to the esoteric roses. So tell you what, I'll choose 2 roses and then post the result on here and see if anyone can identify them 🙂
@Katsa MAC is a noisette and I am tempted by her but I too am drawn to less known roses. 'Alister Stella Gray' is another big noisette which I wouldn't mind having. I would grow 'Marechal Niel' if I were in south Europe. I already have 'Crépuscule' and she's happy so far, that one can also get big.
Out of wichuranas, I like the ones that have tea or noisette as a pollen parent, Barbiers and similar style, even though they don't repeat much (or at all). 'Alberic Barbier', 'Paul Transon', 'Paul Noel' and 'Aviateur Bleriot'. I also like 'Awakening' (I don't remember, have you got it in the end or not?) and 'Sombreuil'.
I also like bigger hybrid musks and true moschatas (or noisettes closer to moschatas, like 'Nastarana') but wouldn't choose them for a pergola.
All these roses speak to my heart more than most of the modern climbers. Although I am not saying I don't like them. I absolutely want 'Kiss me Kate' and will get it but I see her as a small climber, I want to try her on an obelisk.
Another reason why I want a big rose is my planting space. It's surrounded by hard landscaping and I think it limits roses in growth, like a very large pot. A rose put there will root under the gravel eventually but will probably need years to establish well. A big vigorous rose may be more able to do that. And maybe it could also tolerate a smaller clematis right next to it.
I am on Instagram too. Now I have to think if I already follow you or not. And find Omori.
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...some lovely roses further above, all beautifully photographed too..
@Lizzie27
..I know what you mean about Jasmina... my experience was the same, very thorny, coarse and droopy... I think that rose is best sited growing through a small tree where it can hang down without going near it.. I only kept it 2 seasons..
...of course they cheat as they have planted 2 'WOH's' just a few feet apart, which makes it look one very large floriferous rose, when in fact it's two... and I think I know why, because when I had it, I found it was full of massive growth, but not so many blooms for the size of the plant, so growing 2 together rectifies that..
...and just a little bit more clever artwork, they have a 'The Pilgrim' coming in from the right all over the top, which makes the whole wall even more flowerful..
https://www.instagram.com/steve_parnham/
I am really enjoying the photos of gorgeous roses and posts in this thread, so thank you all!
ETA and @edhelka 🤗 Anyone else on there?
Florentina bud.
Aloha & Taiga
Couldn’t get myself to remove the buds of this rose cutting.
@Sammymummy , your perspective is also really helpful. I live in the Peak, so not sure it'll be too vigorous, but I'm mindful to take description and images with a pinch of salt. Helpmefind is an excellent resource!
I'm definitely going to get amnesty international. That's a name I can get behind 😂
And I agree with @Nollie, I need other colours in the garden. Reckon pink and yellow work? Aloha 1949 gets ace reviews, but not sure if it's clash with yellow.
Anyway, here's some photos of roses I already have!
Felisande de Ghislaine
English Miss
Gospel/Proper Job (a bit crispy cos of the sun)
Papworths pride
Comte de Chambord (not a happy rose as it seems to just want to ball)
Either pretty or lovely perfuma (it smells ace!)
..thanks.. I'll look out for you too... I should post something there soon... sometimes I think it can be all a bit 'glam' on Instagram, not sure if it's totally my thing.. I look at some members roses and gardens and I wonder why I'm bothering to post mine...lol..
Felisande de Ghislaine... Katsa I love that twist on the name...
I think if I had your pergola, I would want to grow roses that never get mentioned, that I don't know anyone who has them, I would take a chance on something different... I find there's nothing more disconcerting than growing a rose everyone else has, then finding that they grow it a darn sight better than I do...