I am with you Lyn some selfish so-and-soes out there.Not driving within a mile of home, Ben I was actually almost home from a late shift ,straight well lit stretch of road, bloke was drunk, had no licence or insurance, (police did find him,) he was "known" to them, and had a very distinct tattoo of a spider web on his face, oh, he was also usig the car without the owners consent, thats what they said, pinched it I say.
I can understand the -bugger it just come and get me- feeling some people get. Especially when so many people survive. But the danger is of spreading it to people who might not suvive. We isolate to protect others, not just ourselves
Which is exactly what I said, if you don’t want to risk catching it, keep away from people. If you don’t care, just go out and carry on as normal. we won’t be spreading to our family, we’re all doing the same. If anyone doesn’t want to risk catching it from us, they must stay away. Cant see any problems with it.
The issue with that is a lot of people have no choice, they can’t just decide to stay at home, they need to go out either because they are key workers or their employer is still open and if they don’t turn up they won’t get paid!
Choice is a luxury for the well off and the retired.
You cannot stay at home for the rest of your life (however long or short that may be). This virus is not going to go away so we will have to learn to live (or die) with it. Life itself is risky, crossing the road is risky, alcohol can be risky, pills carry risk, food carries risk, the mere act of getting up in the morning is risky. The fear factor has been overdone in my estimation and we have to snap out of it.
The citizens who lived during WW11 didn't all run away and hide in fear of their lives, they got on with them, living with the fear but not letting it overwhelm them.
This virus is not going to go away so we will have to learn to live (or die) with it.
We will have to learn to live with it, but that’s a bit flippant for me.
Just ‘getting on with it’ causes huge huge problems for me and my colleagues, the NHS has only coped so far because lockdown reduced the numbers, and even with that it’s been rough. Really rough.
It’s inevitable that more will die from this, but if we don’t try to keep the number of very sick people lower than the number of hospital beds and nurses to care for them, then lots who will die who didn’t have to, who could have recovered and gone on to have more years with their loved ones.
Which of your loved ones would you sacrifice in order to get out of lockdown?
I'm not being flippant or selfish, I'm deadly serious, we are going to have to live with this and yes, it will be really tough. I'm old enough to remember polio, TB, influensa, measles and smallpox outbreaks. Nasty diseases have always existed and people learnt to live through them.
Very interesting @pansyface. I think we are all going to have to learn to live with this virus and maybe the sooner the better before the effects of lockdown do even more damage.
Very interesting @pansyface. I think we are all going to have to learn to live with this virus and maybe the sooner the better before the effects of lockdown do even more damage.
But again, please spare a thought for the NHS staff. If you want to let it run wild, you are saying you are happy for them to work in unimaginable conditions for the next 6-12 months, as well as being happy for a lot of people to die who would otherwise have had a fighting chance.
If you got it, and were unlucky and became seriously ill with it, would you want an ICU bed and a trained nurse? Would you want that for your family and friends? If yes, then just letting it tear through the population isn’t an option.
Tear through? I don’t know a single person who knows anyone who has been seriously ill with Covid, I know a woman with mental health issues who was so afraid of “breaking the rules” that she didn’t escape in time and was killed by her partner. I know people who have lost their businesses and others who will lose their homes if this continues, who no longer have savings that took years of hard work to accrue. I know children are going hungry and people are terrified and depressed and lonely. Young people who already have a heavy burden of debt will pay for this for years to come.
If I was ill I would want care and I pay my taxes from my job as a key worker to ensure that I get it but please understand that there are two sides to every story and people in this free country can and should question rules and do what they feel is right for themselves. Many of the rules make no sense, many of the precautions are useless and as someone who has worked even harder than usual throughout lockdown I am not a Selfish monster to suggest there may be a better way going forward. We must deal with this virus without ruining lives.
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You cannot stay at home for the rest of your life (however long or short that may be).
This virus is not going to go away so we will have to learn to live (or die) with it. Life itself is risky, crossing the road is risky, alcohol can be risky, pills carry risk, food carries risk, the mere act of getting up in the morning is risky. The fear factor has been overdone in my estimation and we have to snap out of it.
The citizens who lived during WW11 didn't all run away and hide in fear of their lives, they got on with them, living with the fear but not letting it overwhelm them.
Just ‘getting on with it’ causes huge huge problems for me and my colleagues, the NHS has only coped so far because lockdown reduced the numbers, and even with that it’s been rough. Really rough.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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