They are probably the same people who are happy to risk their children getting measels, mumps or rubella and at the same time santise every thing the child touches and thus constantly expose them to chemicals.
Yesterday was the first day I had been into a shop since wearing masks became compulsory. I noticed that many more people were invading my space and wondering around the shop ignoring the one way arrows. It was as if they thought that wearing a mask was protection enough and meant they didn't need to keep their distance. The few I challenged seemed quite suprised that I said anything. I must admit that they were mostly elderly.
Yes, and "relax, deep breath" Dove. Steve, you can find all the stats, you can watch videos, the ones we used to watch in traiing, how far sneezes spread without any kind of protection., its a lot further than 2 mtrs. Hubby comes in from work yesterday, if he is in a customers car more than 5 minutes (highly likely,clever as he is he cannot do a service in that time span!!) It has to sit for 3 hours before the customer has access, he is wearing gloves,mask,there are steering wheel,gear stick covers. The virus can live 3 days on hard surfaces. Anyone see the walk through mister they use in some countries? The flu vaccine has been perfected.
OK - it would be interesting to get a consensus. Hand sanitisers at the door don't necessarily work though do they? Don't you really need to hand sanitise after you touch anything of unknown provenance? I get to door, hand sanitise, then adjust my mask, or even push the door open before entering (or adjust the mask (as I unwittingly did in the SM last week) whilst in the establishment) or touch anything inside the establishment - and hey presto, my hands are in an unknown state again.
I've personally seen this:
1) Local chemist - assistant had mask hanging from one ear as only one person allowed in shop at a time - then put mask on by touching mask (with gloved hands - so that's fine then) as I entered the shop. They got my prescription.
2) Supermarket - shelf stacker coughed into gloved hand (so that's fine then) and continued stacking shelves.
3) Supermarket - checkout - person took mask off via the mask (not the ear loops) and continued passing my purchases down the conveyor.
..and on TV.. just count the times you see people abusing mask usage...
Maybe I've just been unlucky.
The other stupidity with all this is that the gov didn't set up a kite mark or some such for masks (and hand sanitisers) - especially as in the early days, even in the daily gov briefings, they were talking about the use of any face covering. But, from what I can now gather, a snood or scarf is basically useless and a three ply mask is needed - and with the correct weave density. Surely a simple 'For Covid Use' approved mark would be sensible anyway. Don't Wales enforce 3 ply masks?
All you need to do, if you really can’t stop fiddling with yourself, is to take a tea towel soaked in washing up liquid in a plastic bag and wipe you hands every so often. don't lick your shopping or the shelves. I really can’t see why it’s that difficult, everyone seems to have a good grasp of the facts just can’t seem to put them into practice. The worse thing I’ve found through this is people who think a spray of anti bacterial cleanser will kill it! I don’t know why I’m back on this thread. I left it alone before through frustration. Will do so again.
Dove, we also live by the Nuns Poem and read the Desiderata every morning.
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Everything happened so quickly ... the virus arrived and everyone was running to catch up ... it was Panic Stations and there were shortages .... if we were waiting for Kite Marks we’d still be waiting and the country would still be in Lockdown with PPE only available for hospital staff.
Most people have done their best with what they can get. Yes people are making mistakes ... you get it right when you go in a shop because you’re only in there for ten minutes ... the shelf stacker has been in there for hours ... he or she isn’t perfect but as I say, most people are doing their best ... mistakes will be made, it’s because we’re human and life doesn’t come with guarantees.
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As I said @steveTu, my OH wears a mask all day every day he’s at work and that’s not his perception ... customers are required to wear one or they don’t come in. It’s a small shop so only 6 customers at a time ... hand sanitisers at the door and they’re asked to use them before touching any goods. No one complains and everyone seems to follow the instructions.
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Presumably they make an exception for customers who genuinely can’t wear one?
Are you telling me that the gov/NHS doesn't have standards for the spec of masks and hand sanitisers it uses? Am I to believe that they just buy/bought any old dross .. Really? And if they buy/bought stuff to 'spec' what is the issue then marking those items (some 6 months plus after all this started) as conforming to that spec?
Totally - people make mistakes and do loads of silly stuff. They feel 'safe' because they see someone wearing a mask - and/or gloves. How many people do you see hand sanitising their gloves? Gloves spread the virus just like your hands.
My point was and is, that PPE gives an illusion of being 'safe' more than actually providing protection in a general public environment. It (the PPE) then in itself has a detrimental effect - as well as a beneficial one - in some cases - as the people wearing them take more risks or misuse them.
I think they found that in China one of the case hot spots was a restaurant where the air conditioning pushed the virus into the body of the restaurant, effectively making the situation worse. Here, you don't have to wear a mask in a restaurant or eatery. Be a bit silly if you did - but has anyone mentioned air flow in these places? But I have to wear a mask in a SM with a 30ft ceiling and a down draught. So what is the mask for - to actually provide safety or an illusion of safety? Why is 60 minutes in a SM of n'000 sq ft with brief passing (at least 1m) with someone worse than 60 minutes in a small confined restaurant with closer contact? The answer - it isn't - BUT it is more controllable. If the person in the restaurant contracts the illness, the details of the people are likely to be known and traceable.
It's not only about what I do though is it? It's about what everyone does (or at least the majority). And you haven't a clue as to what is infected and what isn't - so in the shelf stackers case - if that person was infected - I wouldn't have a clue as to what he touched and would then have to use my 'bag of bubbles' or hand sanitiser after everything I touched in a SM wouldn't I?
Although from a quick scan it doesn't not appear to be a study conducted, just a study that analysed data already collected - I may be wrong there though and will read it later.
It does seem odd though that in trying to show that the assumption of taking up mask wearing may be less welcomed in 'the west' it quotes Spain, USA and Italy - three badly affected countries - as being quite quick to take up wearing masks and having a >50% take up rate.
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don't lick your shopping or the shelves.
I really can’t see why it’s that difficult, everyone seems to have a good grasp of the
facts just can’t seem to put them into practice.
The worse thing I’ve found through this is people who think a spray of anti bacterial cleanser will kill it!
I don’t know why I’m back on this thread. I left it alone before through frustration. Will do so again.
Dove, we also live by the Nuns Poem and read the Desiderata every morning.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.