I'm happy having whatever vaccines they offer me. I've had the shingles one, plus others I can't remember (can't see them on the NHS app as our surgery has messed things up).
@punkdoc I don't think IQ has anything to do with it. There are supposedly intelligent people out there who seem to believe that Covid as made up and the vaccines are a way to control the population. When I was at school we had a kid with an incredibly high IQ but absolutely no common sense. I can imagine him being convinced by anti-vaxxers until a pro-vaxxer came along, then he'd be the other way.......
I read the Naomi Klein discussion piece in The Guardian too. Her experiences with 'the wellness industry' chimed with some of mine. I know what she means. Unfortunately a good part of 'Wellness' culture has been hijacked by fascist, anti-vax types. I think in Western yogic culture, (which now finds itself lumped in with 'Wellness') , there has been a propensity to think of the ability to control the body and mind to extend to mastery of the immune system and hence the taking root of the idea that vaccines are redundant.
Some of these 'gurus' may have been anti-vax to start with, but I think elements of the far right have taken advantage too. It is disappointing that the 'Wellness industry' has become so entwined in all the anti vax and fascist stuff, especially as so many people who are involved in the Western yogic traditions are more likely to be liberal and of the left types. I remember having a chat with a yoga teacher about climate change in about 2008, and she gave me the impression it was all part of life and to be expected and not challenged. This gave me a hint of the mindset I would encounter from time to time within Western Hatha Yoga culture.
I agree @fire, that it is chilling that similar 'let them die' attitudes were exposed during the pandemic. Probably the most awful realisation, to me too, was how acceptable this view was to so many!
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Fields that I have been previously involved with / worked in have been riven down the middle. 'Natural voice (singing)', natural dance and body work cohorts are hugely divided. Many of the main teachers in the UK have denied any threat from covid and some I know continued running big enclosed camps and trainings throughout. Possibly majority of teachers and students rejected vaccines. Many felt there were conspiracies at the back of it all, saying "we will not be controlled" (ie don't tell me what to do, I am a child of the universe). I had a bad falling out with a singing teacher I have known for 30 years, who continued to teach during the first lockdown. She was teaching in big tents with hundreds of people for a week. She was also continuing to work with old and very vulnerable people. It blew my mind that she would risk the health of people and ill people she was close to after singing in close spaces with huge groups. She shrugged that everyone she knew was ignoring covid, so she would too. It was perfectly normalised in these settings.
No, there is imputation from me that all dancers, singers or body workers reject a threat from covid. My comments are based on people I know personally.
I really don't get the supposed links, between the Far Right, and the wellness industry, am I missing something? I would have thought the opposite was true, wellness and a slightly hippy, leftish tendencies.
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I really don't get the supposed links, between the Far Right, and the wellness industry, am I missing something? I would have thought the opposite was true, wellness and a slightly hippy, leftish tendencies.
I was about to say something similar @punkdoc. Why are anti-vaxxers also being labelled as fascists? I suspect there are just as many left wing idiots as right wing idiots, and idiots of all types in between. They'll probably be labelled as 'Hitler loving Daily Mail readers' next.
I really don't get the supposed links, between the Far Right, and the wellness industry, am I missing something?
Well, that is the point of the article. There was an odd but striking convergance between the wellness industry and the far right commentators - not least on social media and in demos. You have a situtation where people like Naomi Wolf is sharing platforms with Jordan Peterson, which would previously have been unthinkable.
The two cohorts are united by suspicion - of foreign powers, govt, "Big Pharma", mutlinationals and mainstream media. They both support the idea that they are themselves best placed to do their own 'research'. They feel they represent the marginalised, the side-lined. They both feel censored and silenced. Critically, both dismiss the need for hard core scientific evidence as they think it's just made up to serve the powers that be and the real evidence is being hidden. "Freedom!" Is their united chant.
So, yes, there are many cross-overs. People like David Icke position themselves somewhere in the middle - as self-help guru and would-be politician. People like Icke and Peterson have huge followings on social media and it would be a mistake to dismiss them.
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Some of these 'gurus' may have been anti-vax to start with, but I think elements of the far right have taken advantage too. It is disappointing that the 'Wellness industry' has become so entwined in all the anti vax and fascist stuff, especially as so many people who are involved in the Western yogic traditions are more likely to be liberal and of the left types. I remember having a chat with a yoga teacher about climate change in about 2008, and she gave me the impression it was all part of life and to be expected and not challenged. This gave me a hint of the mindset I would encounter from time to time within Western Hatha Yoga culture.
I agree @fire, that it is chilling that similar 'let them die' attitudes were exposed during the pandemic. Probably the most awful realisation, to me too, was how acceptable this view was to so many!
I would have thought the opposite was true, wellness and a slightly hippy, leftish tendencies.
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I was about to say something similar @punkdoc. Why are anti-vaxxers also being labelled as fascists? I suspect there are just as many left wing idiots as right wing idiots, and idiots of all types in between. They'll probably be labelled as 'Hitler loving Daily Mail readers' next.