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  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I was closely exposed to a variety of viruses for hours on my travels last week. I have no symptoms yet. Fully vaccinated, I am certain this is a major factor. If I am unfortunate enough to have caught something, I'm confident the symptoms will be milder than if I hadn't taken the opportunity to be vaccinated.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • floraliesfloralies Posts: 2,718
    Ooh @punkdoc it's amazing what an extra glass of red can do!!  B)
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    floralies,ah, that's obviously my problem, I only drink white!!
  • Are you aware of the difference between AZ and Biontech? They are two different concepts, and a mRNA will never find its way into my body again. 
    That doesn’t mean that I’m against vaccines in total. 
    It must be allowed to have a critical view without being shouted down. 

    I my garden.

  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    edited December 2023
    Of course I am aware, it is what I do for a "living"
    Anyway no point arguing with someone who thin.ks they are an expert
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096

    We detected a significantly higher IFNγ response to +1 frameshifted antigen in the BNT162b2 vaccine group, compared to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Fig. 2d). There was no association between T cell responses to +1 frameshifted antigen and age, sex or HLA subtype (Supplementary Table 1 and Extended Data Figs. 2 and 3). Both ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 vaccination produced ELISpot responses to in-frame SARS-CoV-2 spike, but responses to +1 frameshifted products were observed only in individuals vaccinated with BNT162b2
    Simone, what does that mean?

  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    edited December 2023
    punkdoc said:
    I’ve just had COVID.....fully vaccinated......really quite ill......my already poor lung function has decreased by about 25%...... I have no doubt that if I was not fully vaccinated I would have been hospitalised and very possibly worse.
    Vaccination has saved millions of lives.
    Same with my son,  he’d been told right at the beginning that if he caught it,  they wouldn’t be treating him.   He was very ill,  but we’re all sure that the vaccines saved him.
    He’s always the first to have the current one,  had it in September. 

    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • @Fire If you read the article - I gave the link - they found that BioNTech’s vaccine produced unwanted proteins. Further research needs to be done what exactly happens in those affected.
    When this article was published, a lot of newspapers wrote about it like the Telegraph or the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67625180
    Here are more links: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%2B+1+frameshifted+antigen&t=ffip&ia=web
    I’m by no means an expert, but what I understand is that frameshifting is a common behaviour however in case of BioNTech mRNA vaccine it’s now discovered that it happens but it doesn’t happen with AZ. In simple words, you got with AZ what you was promised but with BioNTech, you got uncertainty. 
    What I mentioned with these Messengers is, of course one wonders why they didn’t find out that they don’t dissolve before they mass produced the vaccine, and if they knew it from trials why did they keep saying that they would dissolve after 3 months?


    I my garden.

  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Probably a dumb question, but why do they need to dissolve. Are they doing damage or are they inert?
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • nutcutletnutcutlet Posts: 27,445
    B3 said:
    Probably a dumb question, but why do they need to dissolve. Are they doing damage or are they inert?
    That's the question innit
    amongst many other questions.
    I make no claim to knowledge but history has many examples of voices against mainstream opinion proving to be right.


    In the sticks near Peterborough
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