Garden club committee meeting this evening. Arranged to car share with a friend who lives nearby. Now she tells me her daughter, in last year of school, has tested positive so she's not sure if she could come. She's a vet so I'd expect her to understand about infectivity and incubation. Told her to take a lateral flow test at 5:30. Either way, I shall go with mask.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
In answer to the question on the test liquid. The test kit ingredients are optimised for the method used, never mix components from one type of kit to another, and don't deviate from the test procedure or the result will not be valid whether pos or neg. So if the kit specifys throat and nose, do not use on nose only. Do not mix the cartridges from one type of kit to the other. The exact ingredients in the kits are usually closely, guarded by the mfcrs.
And don't use test liquid as eye drops or a nasal flush.
“ The FDA has received reports of injuries caused by incorrect use of at-home COVID-19 tests, including:
Injuries caused by people accidently putting liquid test solution in their eyes when small vials of test solution were mistaken for eye drops.
Injuries caused by placing nasal collection swabs into the liquid solution prior to swabbing the nose (the liquid solution is not supposed to touch your body).
Injuries caused by children putting test parts in their mouth and swallowing liquid test solution. “
Source. Obviously it's happening frequently enough to warrant a PSA.
And son had an instance of a person visiting a mobile PCR testing centre actually taking and drinking the liquid in the test tube rather than putting the swab in it … there were great consternation and hurried phone calls for advice … I think it was decided that although it wasn’t advisable it was unlikely to harm a healthy adult. Apparently the chap who did it thought he’d done something ‘radical’. 🙄
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Already had a curmudgeon about this. Had to use London underground yesterday for first time in over 2 years. Just my luck when the infection rates are climbing again. I got myself an FFP2 mask specially, hope it's worked.
Some people don't know the difference between dieing from covid and dieing with covid My figures come from the ONS so I would hope that they are correct and are available for anyone to check I only had the first jab as I thought that was all I needed when I then found out I would need 3 or more then I'll take my chances
It is misleading to use ONS figures which show where covid was the only cause of death listed, to insinuate that all other cases are just people who would have died anyway.
Dying FROM covid means covid was the main factor in why they died; that does not mean that no other conditions would be listed on the death certificate. Secondary issues and morbidities that lead on from the underlying cause of death would normally be listed.
Dying WITH covid would be things like when the patient dies from something totally unrelated, such as a car accident, but are also confirmed to be infected with covid at time of death. They would be included in the daily 'died within 28 days of a covid test' statistics, but they wouldn't be included in the ONS weekly death stats, which are based on death certificates.
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My brother (60s) is receiving treatment for inoperable abdominal tumours ... it's hoped that the treatment will give him longer and a better quality of life than would otherwise be the case.
He has been told that pressure on the NHS is such that, if his lungs are affected by the tumours or if he catches Covid, he will not be considered for treatment on a ventilator ... if he dies because he needed ventilation and didn't get it, it may be because there are too many other Covid patients using them ... where does that put him in the statistics?
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@mac12 ... on the Climate Change thread you asked me
"... Dovefromabove when you go to the hospital do you check that the staff have had 3 vaccinations "
I don't think you've read and understood my post ... I don't go to the hospital .... my brother does ... he's the one that's very very ill ........
Anyway, in the hospital the staff are gowned and masked and wearing gloves (my OH had to go for scans during lockdown and said he was very reassured by the Covid precautions there) ... we live very close to a large teaching hospitals and have a lot of hospital staff as neighbours ... many of them are still wearing masks in the open air as they walk past our house to work ... that's how seriously they take the risks and their responsibilities.
My OH works in a shop and is constantly exasperated by thoughtless/selfish customers who have entered the shop without masks ... not only is he concerned about becoming infected himself, he's concerned about bringing it home and passing it to me (I'm a fair bit older than him so at more risk) ... he also has an elderly mother, who lives on her own, and if he caught it he would be unable to go to her if she needed him. Those are the sort of reasons why sensible and caring people have been having their jabs and wearing masks.
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... if he dies because he needed ventilation and didn't get it, it may be because there are too many other Covid patients using them ... where does that put him in the statistics?
My son is in exactly the same position, he was told he would not be considered for treatment, as it is he gets his regular medication/treatment and will live a good life, who can say how long for any of us, but there’s no reason he will die before his time. if he got COVID he will certainly die.
The uninformed poster was obviously not reading the latest ONS findings!
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“ The FDA has received reports of injuries caused by incorrect use of at-home COVID-19 tests, including:
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Dying FROM covid means covid was the main factor in why they died; that does not mean that no other conditions would be listed on the death certificate. Secondary issues and morbidities that lead on from the underlying cause of death would normally be listed.
Dying WITH covid would be things like when the patient dies from something totally unrelated, such as a car accident, but are also confirmed to be infected with covid at time of death. They would be included in the daily 'died within 28 days of a covid test' statistics, but they wouldn't be included in the ONS weekly death stats, which are based on death certificates.
He has been told that pressure on the NHS is such that, if his lungs are affected by the tumours or if he catches Covid, he will not be considered for treatment on a ventilator ... if he dies because he needed ventilation and didn't get it, it may be because there are too many other Covid patients using them ... where does that put him in the statistics?
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"... Dovefromabove when you go to the hospital do you check that the staff have had 3 vaccinations "
I don't think you've read and understood my post ... I don't go to the hospital .... my brother does ... he's the one that's very very ill ........
Anyway, in the hospital the staff are gowned and masked and wearing gloves (my OH had to go for scans during lockdown and said he was very reassured by the Covid precautions there) ... we live very close to a large teaching hospitals and have a lot of hospital staff as neighbours ... many of them are still wearing masks in the open air as they walk past our house to work ... that's how seriously they take the risks and their responsibilities.
My OH works in a shop and is constantly exasperated by thoughtless/selfish customers who have entered the shop without masks ... not only is he concerned about becoming infected himself, he's concerned about bringing it home and passing it to me (I'm a fair bit older than him so at more risk) ... he also has an elderly mother, who lives on her own, and if he caught it he would be unable to go to her if she needed him. Those are the sort of reasons why sensible and caring people have been having their jabs and wearing masks.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
if he got COVID he will certainly die.
The uninformed poster was obviously not reading the latest ONS findings!