Presumably,if we were still in the EU,we wouldn't have been vaccinated,in the UK
Probably true, although the contracts we signed last year that have served us so well were negotiated and signed while we were still members of the EU, so technically we could have been in exactly the same position as we are now. But most likely, without the "we'll show 'em" zeal that probably motivated the Government to get their act together, they'd have just done nothing and complained about it.
@punkdoc I think the dishonest treatment that some black and ethnic minority groups have had at the hands of successive western governments is now coming back to bite us. They've been tricked and lied to and, frankly, abused here and elsewhere sufficient times that they simply don't believe what the authorities say. Tuskegee is probably the egregious example, but it's not the only one. Even the Windrush scandal, which is still going on for many, feeds into the narrative that the Government cannot be believed and if they say it's good, it's probably bad. I can entirely understand why some people feel that way. The outcome, of course, is that we're all more at risk as a result.
Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
To me, I find that a very strange argument - but I'm not in a minority group.
I would have thought, that if I felt passed over, left out and lied to, and then saw the group that I thought were being treated better than me being given something that I was also entitled to, that I would be the first person there queuing rather than turning my back on the opportunity. But it seems that in general, vaccine uptake for other conditions amongst some groups has been low.
To me, I find that a very strange argument - but I'm not in a minority group.
I would have thought, that if I felt passed over, left out and lied to, and then saw the group that I thought were being treated better than me being given something that I was also entitled to, that I would be the first person there queuing rather than turning my back on the opportunity. But it seems that in general, vaccine uptake for other conditions amongst some groups has been low.
I agree. If you are given the opportunity to have something that you may have been denied in the past then you really do have to take it or you are no further forward.
“Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
To me, I find that a very strange argument - but I'm not in a minority group.
I would have thought, that if I felt passed over, left out and lied to, and then saw the group that I thought were being treated better than me being given something that I was also entitled to, that I would be the first person there queuing rather than turning my back on the opportunity.
That may be true in the absence of other 'information'. But if on the one hand you have people in your local community telling you that the vaccine has only been tested on white people and may not be safe, or that it's made from animal products or alcohol or cells from aborted babies, or that it makes you sicker than the disease, while on the other had you have the Government telling you it's perfectly harmless and not made from anything that would compromise your faith, who do you believe? Your local community or a Government who have consistently lied to you for years? And are demonstrably still doing it?
Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
Maybe it's not so much a case of being part of a minority group, but more to do with 'faith'? Where do people nowadays place their 'faith'? In centuries past, the population in this country would have looked to religious leaders and their local religious 'faith' groups in times of stress and concern. But is that the case now? I grew up as CofE - but I have no real religious 'faith' and look for my guidance elsewhere. Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam are my 'trinity'. I don't trust the gov any more than any minority group - but I haven't placed all my trust in one other source. Could that be a driving force?
Are all the 'faith' groups behind the vaccine or against it?
100 years ago, I would have been listening to my vicar preaching on a Sunday from the pulpit and maybe would then have a different view of the vaccination program.
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@punkdoc I think the dishonest treatment that some black and ethnic minority groups have had at the hands of successive western governments is now coming back to bite us. They've been tricked and lied to and, frankly, abused here and elsewhere sufficient times that they simply don't believe what the authorities say. Tuskegee is probably the egregious example, but it's not the only one. Even the Windrush scandal, which is still going on for many, feeds into the narrative that the Government cannot be believed and if they say it's good, it's probably bad. I can entirely understand why some people feel that way. The outcome, of course, is that we're all more at risk as a result.
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
If you are given the opportunity to have something that you may have been denied in the past then you really do have to take it or you are no further forward.
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”