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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    I agree with you from a statistical point of view @strelitzia32.
    I also agree it is a difficult decision regarding the balance between a low number of deaths in a younger age group and loss of taxes / sectors of industry closing etc.

    My view remains, the numbers are rising dramatically and without strict measures to control them, the number of deaths will exceed the first wave.

    I am currently still involved with planning national ICU capacity and treatment strategies .
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • debs64debs64 Posts: 5,184
    In the nicest possible way I hope you are wrong @punkdoc. If the rising number of cases are in younger healthier people then surely the death rate will be lower? 
    I think the medical profession will be hoping for the best while preparing for the worst as another national lockdown would surely be impossible. 
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    edited October 2020
    Problem is, cases are now rising rapidly in older age groups.
    Obviously I hope I am wrong too.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    I think quite a lot of people try to adhere by the guidance. So if the government says pubs close at 10pm, lots of people will either not go to the pub at all or will go home early, because the fact that there is a rule has highlighted that there's a potential problem. A bit like the Rule of 6. There is no magic about 6 rather 5 or 8. It's just making a point that numbers should be limited and several hundred people at, for example, a presidential announcement, is a Bad Idea that could have unfortunate consequences.

    That some people ignore the rules and a few even take it as a deliberate challenge to flout them as much as possible is inevitable. It doesn't mean 'everyone', or even most people are doing so. 

    I take responsibility for my own safety and don't rely on the Government to tell me what's safe to do, but clearly, that doesn't work for everyone. Italy is interesting at the moment. They had more of a scare at the start, it seems, so they aren't as belligerent about compliance.
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • JoeXJoeX Posts: 1,783

    The cure does seem worse than the disease.
    For once, an american says it best:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2X1Tgmsv9Ao


  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited October 2020
    We have laws about speeding.

    Many people feel they are inconvenienced by them. 

    Some people think they’re such good drivers that they shouldn’t apply to them. 

    A lot of people flout them .., some intentionally, some through mistake or carelessness. 

    That doesn’t mean that a large proportion of the population don’t think that laws against speeding are a good thing, save lives, should be enforced, and try to adhere to them. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • FlyDragonFlyDragon Posts: 834
    B3 said:
    People had the right to buy video cassettes but they didn't. People can go to restaurants in small groups, but how many would want to sit in a crowded cinema or go on a cruise?
    I've been to the cinema twice since they re-opened (would have gone more if any studios were actually releasing their films!). Distanced, very safe, and very very very empty, sadly. 

    Cineworld announcing it is closing all its cinemas is very sad news, all those staff potentially losing their jobs. 
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    While you’re feeling sorry for folk working in cinemas, spare a thought for those working in live music venues ... someone I know has had three days work since the beginning of March and nothing planned for the winter ... no furlough, no grant, no loan, no money ... equipment sold to pay bills ... 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I get the impression that we are slipping into lockdown fatigue.  It seems to me that it is similar to a person who takes drugs for bi-polar. They take the drugs. They work. They decide they don't really need them. They stop taking them.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • FlyDragonFlyDragon Posts: 834
    While you’re feeling sorry for folk working in cinemas, spare a thought for those working in live music venues ... someone I know has had three days work since the beginning of March and nothing planned for the winter ... no furlough, no grant, no loan, no money ... equipment sold to pay bills ... 
    I feel sorry for those people too, I have plenty of sympathy to go around at the moment. 

    Are they not eligible for any of the self employed support though?
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