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  • FlyDragonFlyDragon Posts: 834
    Lyn said:

    If you don't get coughed or sneezed on, there’s not much chance of catching it. 
    I’m sorry but that’s just not true. 

    A lot of people who’ve had this will have picked it up just through touch. 
  • debs64debs64 Posts: 5,184
    If every single member of staff has to stay at home the branch will close. If there are locum staff in as there often are who have gone to other branches they too will have to close. 100s of people won’t get their medication as potentially dozens of pharmacies would close. As will dentists and vets and many other vital businesses but members of my household don’t have to self isolate so please explain how that is safe? 
  • madpenguinmadpenguin Posts: 2,543
    edited May 2020
    B3 said:
    When we have the same rates as Germany or if the R rate is 0. 1 or 0. 2
    What if it never gets to that rate?
    How many months or years would you be prepared to stay 'safe'?

    What if you don't go to the dentist because you want to stay safe and then find your mouth cancer has gone undetected?

    Mouth cancer kills one person every 3 hours in the UK because of late detection.
    “Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
  • FlyDragonFlyDragon Posts: 834
    debs64 said:
    If every single member of staff has to stay at home the branch will close. If there are locum staff in as there often are who have gone to other branches they too will have to close. 100s of people won’t get their medication as potentially dozens of pharmacies would close. As will dentists and vets and many other vital businesses but members of my household don’t have to self isolate so please explain how that is safe? 
    Is it part of a chain?

    Hopefully the senior staff are currently planning how to carry on serving the community whilst keeping them as safe as possible from Covid. It will require new ways of working and some creative thinking, but literally loads of NHS teams and essential businesses have already had to do this or are doing it now. 
  • madpenguinmadpenguin Posts: 2,543
    This report although 5 years old show how many die normally in UK care homes.
    100,000 a year and another 29,000 normally resident but dying elsewhere.
    Obviously more have will have died with the virus this year (though not necessarily from the virus),but that is an exception.
    This is a new virus and could have been in these care homes since January without symptoms.It is in the nature of this particular virus to target certain groups.
    It is NOT a conspiracy to get rid of people.If it was it is very ineffective.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/828122/Briefing_2_Place_and_cause_of_death_for_permanent_and_temporary_residents_of_care_homes.pdf
    “Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
  • debs64debs64 Posts: 5,184
    @FlyDragon I would love to see a plan where medication is dispensed without any staff to take it out of the drawers and put it into bags to be checked? Also no pharmacists available to check it’s correct? Nobody to hand prescriptions out to patients and nobody to drive the van to deliver them? No staff to order the medication, unpack it, answer phones or sell any pharmacy only medication? It’s not a job where staff can work from home although I am sure we all wish it was. The government has been cutting profit margins for pharmacies for years so investment in training isn’t what it was and it’s a job only trained staff can do. 
    Can anyone explain why in the circumstances discussed I need to self isolate but my son and fiancé don’t? It seems another example of unhelpful and useless “ guidelines” as bad as “stay alert”. This whole situation has been dreadfully mismanaged throughout. Half measures and waffle! 
  • madpenguinmadpenguin Posts: 2,543
    The lockdown was primarily to stop the rapid spread of Covid-19 so as not to overwhelm the NHS.
    People will still become infected however many precautions are taken,just at a slower rate.
    Unless there is a vaccine soon we shall be living with this for a long time.
    Someone has to keep the country running,providing,food,services,medication and every other aspect of life so some can stay safe but they themselves then run the risk of infection.
    Nobody wins against a virus that is so new that even scientists are finding out something more about it everyday.
    “Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
  • FlyDragonFlyDragon Posts: 834
    debs64 said:
    @FlyDragon I would love to see a plan where medication is dispensed without any staff to take it out of the drawers and put it into bags to be checked? Also no pharmacists available to check it’s correct? Nobody to hand prescriptions out to patients and nobody to drive the van to deliver them? No staff to order the medication, unpack it, answer phones or sell any pharmacy only medication? It’s not a job where staff can work from home although I am sure we all wish it was. The government has been cutting profit margins for pharmacies for years so investment in training isn’t what it was and it’s a job only trained staff can do. 
    Can anyone explain why in the circumstances discussed I need to self isolate but my son and fiancé don’t? It seems another example of unhelpful and useless “ guidelines” as bad as “stay alert”. This whole situation has been dreadfully mismanaged throughout. Half measures and waffle! 
    Ok, well just off the top of my head the premises could be deep cleaned and then staffed with people from other branches on an essentials only basis, or the GPs could send the prescriptions to different local pharmacies temporarily.  

    Life can’t go back to normal, we can’t just decide that things can only be done the way they were before or not at all, we’ll need new solutions and collaboration is going to be the key.  

    I don’t know why your family wouldn’t need to isolate.  If that’s the guideline that doesn’t make sense to me either.  It doesn’t mean it’s ok to keep pharmacies open full of infected staff though!  It just means the government, as usual, have done a half arsed job of it. 
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    We are going to start seeing family and friends, observing the latest rules and staying out in the open air as much as possible. Apart from food I doubt whether I shall be going shopping for non-essentials, probably because I don't need anything at the moment and if I do, will shop online. I will be going to the hairdresser though as soon as she opens as mine is a sole trader and she will take what precautions she can.
    We will be watching the statistics carefully and making up our own mind what the risk is likely to be but we are not afraid and will not cower at home, unwilling to take  any risks at all.

    We might just be lucky but after 3 months, we only know of two remotely connected people who have had the virus and they had the misfortune to live in London. I come from a very large family whose members number over 100 and who live all over the country. We also belong to a large car club but again to date have not heard of any members being affected. 

    The country cannot afford everyone to stay at home for much longer or we will be bankrupt and then there will be no NHS or financial safety net for anybody.
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    Self isolating doesn’t just mean staying at home. It means confining yourself to one room 24/7 ... cleaning the bathroom after you use it if you don’t have a second bathroom. Food being left outside your bedroom door and plates etc being washed separately. 
    That’s why other people in your home shouldn’t need to isolate... if you do it properly. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





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