Of course there are good and bad doctors as there are anything it’s just an attitude you sometimes get that “ we know best” when they obviously don’t!
That’s true and it’s one reason (of many) that it’s better to see evidence, the research papers, that support someone’s position than to choose to trust someone you like. Fraudsters for example are usually very likeable people, or they wouldn’t be good at it
Of course, not everyone has the capacity to trawl through research papers and understand them which is why we have medical councils and professionals BUT if you really want to be sure about something, you CAN see the research. This is crucially important if you are trying to decide between options.
I had to do this on two occasions for my parents when they faced life changing medical conditions, and they couldn’t decide what to do. The doctors will explain, but won’t tell you what to do. In both situations I went to the NHS websites, and The Lancet journals to get an informed opinion on things. There was evidence, there were published research papers.
I agree in principle @Tin pot but not all of us have the time, energy or inclination to undertake extensive research especially with young children to look after. Is it not the case that even experts can disagree and research can be flawed?
My husband ( now ex) had very strong opinions about vaccinations and there were a lot of scare stories about MMR jab.
As far as Covid is concerned I am not worried about myself or anyone close but will take reasonable precautions to protect others without panicking unnecessarily
I agree in principle @Tin pot but not all of us have the time, energy or inclination to undertake extensive research especially with young children to look after. Is it not the case that even experts can disagree and research can be flawed?
My husband ( now ex) had very strong opinions about vaccinations and there were a lot of scare stories about MMR jab.
As far as Covid is concerned I am not worried about myself or anyone close but will take reasonable precautions to protect others without panicking unnecessarily
True, experts can disagree and research can be flawed but you have to ask yourself whether you want your opinion based on evidence and research or not?
And if you really think that an opinion with no evidence or research to support it, is better than one that does?
There is a c.pox vaccine but we don't use it here as far as I know. They do in other countries.
I think we all know that the medical profession, like anything else, isn't perfect, but who else should we trust? There's good and bad in every institution of any kind. I can understand why you made your decision @debs64
I think the internet nowadays causes a lot of problems - too many 'armchair experts' on everything, so people can be sucked in, and believe info which can be wildly misleading. We have to use a little bit of common sense sometimes. I still find it hard to understand why that MMR research wasn't called into question at the time.
When I had c. pox, I went to A&E and the doctor refused to acknowledge that the pain I had all down my face was anything to do with it. I meant to say - I think you're right @fidgetbones, but judging by what I've seen round here in supermarkets, there's already been plenty of 'me, me, me' behaviour. Too many people are so thoughtless and self absorbed.
The chicken pox vaccine is available in the UK privately, as far as I am aware, just not as a national screening programme.
At the time there were several reports that the MMR was harmful and as we, and everyone we knew had had measles and mumps as children with no real issues we felt it wasn’t worth the risk. Rubella vaccine was standard for teenage girls at the time because of the risk to unborn children. There was no internet to make research easy and as my husband had never in his life been vaccinated against anything ( his mom had a phobia of needles) he felt it was unnecessary.
In his defence he is the healthiest person I know, never had a single day off work for sickness despite being around young children with their usual ailments for many years and at nearly 60 on absolutely no medication. I used to joke that he was an alien immune to human diseases. He believed this was because his immune system wasn’t damaged by coping with vaccines at an early age and he wasn’t an easy man to disagree with.
Apologies for going off subject, let’s agree to disagree and let this thread get back to the original subject, it’s clearly one of great interest to forum members.
I watched a football match on the telly this afternoon and they didn't shake hands at the beginning so as not to spread the infection, a sensible but pointless gesture, as every time a goal was scored they were throwing their arms round each other and hugging them. They also shook hands at the end of the game.
Simon Wakefield, the charlatan behind the MMR vaccine scandal is a doctor, just a very bad one. The majority of work done to prove vaccines are not only safe, but effective, are scientists, not doctors, so this should not be an argument about whether doctors know what they are doing.
140000 people died from Measles in 2018 up from 90000 in 2016. The figures for 2019 are going to be significantly higher. These differences are attributed to decreasing vaccination rates.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
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But our Tesco delivery for tomorrow just had the pasta and rice removed as they were “out of stock”. I had only ordered one packet of each. 🙄
Of course, not everyone has the capacity to trawl through research papers and understand them which is why we have medical councils and professionals BUT if you really want to be sure about something, you CAN see the research. This is crucially important if you are trying to decide between options.
I had to do this on two occasions for my parents when they faced life changing medical conditions, and they couldn’t decide what to do. The doctors will explain, but won’t tell you what to do. In both situations I went to the NHS websites, and The Lancet journals to get an informed opinion on things. There was evidence, there were published research papers.
The majority of work done to prove vaccines are not only safe, but effective, are scientists, not doctors, so this should not be an argument about whether doctors know what they are doing.
140000 people died from Measles in 2018 up from 90000 in 2016. The figures for 2019 are going to be significantly higher.
These differences are attributed to decreasing vaccination rates.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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