When do you start training the stems/canes on a climbing rose?
Do you train them at 45 degrees like when espaliering a tree, then lower when growth slows in Autumn?
Or do you leave them to grow free until later in the year and then tie them in.
I can tell from seeing roses in gardens that we've visited that many ramblers have quite flexible canes, so I assume they can be trained later.
But if you're wanting to train a climbing/shrub rose do you have to start bending them earlier before they grow too stiff?
Ive got both going on at the same time - have Malvern Hills which has flexible canes at the moment, and The Generous Gardener which is already feeling much stiffer and it's only early days.
Malvern Hills is really starting to pick up the pace with growth. It looks twice as big as a month ago
Thank you for the very helpful and information Gardener's World link Mr Vine Eye and also for your helpful suggestions Marlorena regarding my rambling rose that I want to plant under a tree - an established twisted willow tree and the rose will be on the west side which is shown in the picture. The situation will receive at least 8 hours sunshine in mid summer, around 4 or 5 hours now and not so much in the winter. We have dug a hole already, in fact we found a good place and have managed to dig 12 - 18 inches deep and 12 inches across and intend to use compost, manure and soil to back fill. What are your thoughts now that you have seen the position?
@Guernsey Donkey2 oh gosh that's a huge tree.. and with quite a dense canopy.. I'm not sure where the west side is on that picture but this is how I would plant a rambler for that tree, and it would need to be a vigorous one... I've only used Paul's Himalayan Musk in such a situation before, but any of the large modern ramblers should be alright.. those that repeat would be better these days..
I've copied your photo below and indicated 2 places where I would plant the rose.. it should be at least 6 foot from the trunk, and preferably towards the outer edges of the tree otherwise it's never going to get any rain onto the base, just drips from the leaves.. and too much shade really.. a long cane should be inserted with the rose, and all shoots coming from the base should be tied to the cane and trained towards the tree... any shoots growing out the wrong way should be removed...
You can try and place it closer to the tree, nearer the trunk, but it's not what I would do.
@Mr. Vine Eye with Malvern Hills you can start whenever you feel the need, the long rambling canes are so flexible, you can pick up on them later … but even so you will be wanting to train them in whatever directions you have in mind according to the support, whether it's on a wall or somesuch… but you deal with that as and when.. ramblers will flop downwards and grow along the ground if you let them...
..with climbing roses the stiffer canes can be problematic... if you start too soon they can break off.. it happens to all of us... so just try and bend them gradually to point in a desired direction, but they want to grow upwards and should never be brought down to below the horizontal, but always above it.. aim for 10 or 5 to 9 as you look at a clock... just a gentle bending can cause an interruption in the flow of sap, which is what you're trying to do, to encourage side shooting [laterals] to develop along the canes...
Lovely roses... I've got 2 of those and your James Austin is looking better than mine, I think mine has an ants nest amongst the roots.. something not right with it.. Style roses are local to me... they're really good with online ordering too.. delivery is so quick...
I’ve never heard of an ants nest being a problem before tbh.
and yes I ordered summer song and lady Emma Hamilton from style roses last summer and totally agree about fast delivery and roses were in very good condition too.
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Do you train them at 45 degrees like when espaliering a tree, then lower when growth slows in Autumn?
Or do you leave them to grow free until later in the year and then tie them in.
I can tell from seeing roses in gardens that we've visited that many ramblers have quite flexible canes, so I assume they can be trained later.
But if you're wanting to train a climbing/shrub rose do you have to start bending them earlier before they grow too stiff?
Ive got both going on at the same time - have Malvern Hills which has flexible canes at the moment, and The Generous Gardener which is already feeling much stiffer and it's only early days.
Malvern Hills is really starting to pick up the pace with growth. It looks twice as big as a month ago
I've copied your photo below and indicated 2 places where I would plant the rose.. it should be at least 6 foot from the trunk, and preferably towards the outer edges of the tree otherwise it's never going to get any rain onto the base, just drips from the leaves.. and too much shade really.. a long cane should be inserted with the rose, and all shoots coming from the base should be tied to the cane and trained towards the tree... any shoots growing out the wrong way should be removed...
You can try and place it closer to the tree, nearer the trunk, but it's not what I would do.
..with climbing roses the stiffer canes can be problematic... if you start too soon they can break off.. it happens to all of us... so just try and bend them gradually to point in a desired direction, but they want to grow upwards and should never be brought down to below the horizontal, but always above it.. aim for 10 or 5 to 9 as you look at a clock... just a gentle bending can cause an interruption in the flow of sap, which is what you're trying to do, to encourage side shooting [laterals] to develop along the canes...
couldnt help but buy another 3 roses from style roses while their -
james l Austin
Imogen
And no the one I’m most looking forward to - Heathcliff
Style roses are local to me... they're really good with online ordering too.. delivery is so quick...
and yes I ordered summer song and lady Emma Hamilton from style roses last summer and totally agree about fast delivery and roses were in very good condition too.
Also have a creeping rose that I need to train... apparently.