Aye....and men don't get 'objectified' (I believe that's the latest buzzword) either.
These mediocre celebrities (men and women) pull out all the stops to get publicity and don't seem to care how they get it. Mostly I find them vacuous and void of any discernible talent, but they seem to meet a societal norm of what is deemed to be attractive and that gets them their 15 minutes of fame, generally in magazines (mainly bought by women imo) and perhaps a TV career if really lucky.
Have you ever picked up a mens mag like Esquire, Mens Fitness etc? Packed full of 'buff' models and selling a 'lifestyle' many young men will never come close to attaining.
To say it is mainly women though, to me, is misguided.
I seem to recall quite a few comments about a certain Mr Clooney at the wedding, perhaps Mr Beckham as well? Not that they (men and women) are bothered, as the more comments and attention on what they are wearing at red carpet type events the more clothes/shoes/accessories they are given for free from top designers craving the publicity and knock on sales to their products that they receive. It is all part of the game and they are happy to play it.
As an aside, I've always felt that the pressures faced by young men (and inability) to meet some sort of vague notion of a 'societal norm' that they see in mags and on TV is (in part) a factor in why suicide rates are a lot higher amongst young men in the UK than they are amongst young women.
whether by women or men, it's all the same to me. The focus gravitates to mainly women, and you have to wonder why.
The why is because it's big business. The fashion industry is predicated on looking better than the person next to you or at least not feeling embarrassed in their company. Magazines sell an aspirational lifestyle that in reality no-one without a Royal household to support them can achieve. Reality TV is the equivalent of a Victorian freak show, intended to provoke finger pointing, and video bloggers know that to get the most views they must say the most outrageous things.
What's the male equivalent. The football industry is predicated on scoring more goals than the team next to you or at least ..........
Having only seen the last few minutes of the Royal Wedding coverage, having been to parkrun that morning with 50% fantastic female runners by the way, my favourite bit was Dermot handing over to football focus with the line "everyone wants to know what colour the referee will be wearing".
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The Bald Gardener, it is mainly women and now more recently in the last 10 years men. And yes, all for sales and marketing, women were the big consumers, and now men are also big consumers, which is why you have noticed more focus on men's magazines and more products.
My point originally, was to highlight how we can be over-critical of others without even knowing them, and how we can even be judgmental of strangers based on a small image. The media has made it normal and acceptable to behave this way. It has slipped into our sub-consciousness to do the same every now and then. And yes, women criticise women, which feeds into this vicious cycle of breeding nastiness for short term satisfaction, but the reality is, there is a breeding culture of dissatisfied individuals that only measures success based on the superficial, and the marketing people are more than happy to exploit that. And some women literally 'buy' into the unattainable. Which means sales of magazines chasing after celebrities, and hanging onto their every word by buying any products they buy. So yes Paul_In_Surrey, it is big business.
Millie Molly Mandy, I don't take offence to criticism of the royal family but I do think criticism with anyone whether celebrity or royals are the same though. Why is it necessary to zone in on appearance or pass judgment so easily on others? This whole notion that celebrities deserve it because they want the attention or the royals don't set any standards anymore, so it's fair to do this.....it has been normalised by the media to create a pantomime so we can follow it. And if you don't follow it, you are brainwashed into buying into the narrow band of perfection which makes the marketing people happy.
Some posters were asking why there were so many celebrities gracing the BBC's coverage of the Chelsea Show. I'm afraid, without it, the BBC fear viewers may switch over. That is where we are right now.
I didn't watch the wedding (I was lazing on a beach) but I've seen some news clips since and I loved what the Queen was wearing and thought it really suited her ... I think it's great that she wears vivid colours and not the old lady pastels her mother always wore ... she always looked as if she'd had a good dusting down with talc.
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Not to be able to mention that The Queen looks dreadful in garish colours, that Oprah Winfrey has bad feet and that Kate has started Botox injections is akin to the Emperor's New Clothes! Only the small boy spoke up and said the king had no clothes on everyone else had kept quiet, why? Was it out of respect?
No it was out of good manners. The Queen is not a clothes horse. They got one of those once and it didn't end well. She's an old lady who has lived long enough to be allowed to wear purple if she wants to. Oprah Winfrey is a powerful woman who should be judged on her professional output and not on her feet which are nobody's business but hers. It would be terribly sad, but not surprising, if these sort of comments and constant nit-picking had driven an attractive woman like the Duchess of Cambridge to begin poisoning herself. But you should consider that it's exactly this sort of commentary that leads to that sort of decision. As it led to Diana's bulimia.
I don't care if they all hate each other. The contract we have with them is we pay lots of money for them to put on these shows with golden carriages and smart uniforms and horses and flowers and people playing trumpets, that attract tourists to see the sights and business to trust our political continuity and stability. We buy the right to demand that they turn up even when they don't feel like facing the cameras. We buy the right to tell them they must be nice to people they probably detest in order to serve political agenda that they probably don't support. We don't buy any right to say they look awful in that hat or should really shed a few pounds. We may have decided to make them into a soap opera, but they didn't sign that contract.
Dog knows why I have to keep paying for free meals for the Beckhams though
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@borderline. You are perfectly entitled to your view, I wouldn't dream of insisting it is wrong......but it is.
I've perused mens fashion/fitness/lifestyle mags on and off for around 30 years, so a lot longer than the 10 years you mention and it has been around since then. We are all, rightly or wrongly, judged/complimented/criticised on our appearance and I daresay always have been. It's human nature.
Where I do agree with you is in that people can be over critical and judgemental at times. That isn't a nice trait but it is one that we all have to a degree (even if we would not admit so) and has been around for a long, long time. I don't see it changing, but I would agree that criticism of people in general (men and women) does seem to be worse nowadays. The abuse and insults being levelled at people under the guise of 'cultural misappropriation' because they have cornrows or have worn a sari and are not deemed to be of that culture, for example, is ridiculous and a sad sign of the overtly critical and sanctimonious attitude of (what appears to be) an increasing number of people.
Perhaps I'm getting old? Or, perhaps the internet is a breeding ground for such attitudes?
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These mediocre celebrities (men and women) pull out all the stops to get publicity and don't seem to care how they get it. Mostly I find them vacuous and void of any discernible talent, but they seem to meet a societal norm of what is deemed to be attractive and that gets them their 15 minutes of fame, generally in magazines (mainly bought by women imo) and perhaps a TV career if really lucky.
Have you ever picked up a mens mag like Esquire, Mens Fitness etc? Packed full of 'buff' models and selling a 'lifestyle' many young men will never come close to attaining.
To say it is mainly women though, to me, is misguided.
I seem to recall quite a few comments about a certain Mr Clooney at the wedding, perhaps Mr Beckham as well? Not that they (men and women) are bothered, as the more comments and attention on what they are wearing at red carpet type events the more clothes/shoes/accessories they are given for free from top designers craving the publicity and knock on sales to their products that they receive. It is all part of the game and they are happy to play it.
As an aside, I've always felt that the pressures faced by young men (and inability) to meet some sort of vague notion of a 'societal norm' that they see in mags and on TV is (in part) a factor in why suicide rates are a lot higher amongst young men in the UK than they are amongst young women.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion though.
My point originally, was to highlight how we can be over-critical of others without even knowing them, and how we can even be judgmental of strangers based on a small image. The media has made it normal and acceptable to behave this way. It has slipped into our sub-consciousness to do the same every now and then. And yes, women criticise women, which feeds into this vicious cycle of breeding nastiness for short term satisfaction, but the reality is, there is a breeding culture of dissatisfied individuals that only measures success based on the superficial, and the marketing people are more than happy to exploit that. And some women literally 'buy' into the unattainable. Which means sales of magazines chasing after celebrities, and hanging onto their every word by buying any products they buy. So yes Paul_In_Surrey, it is big business.
Millie Molly Mandy, I don't take offence to criticism of the royal family but I do think criticism with anyone whether celebrity or royals are the same though. Why is it necessary to zone in on appearance or pass judgment so easily on others? This whole notion that celebrities deserve it because they want the attention or the royals don't set any standards anymore, so it's fair to do this.....it has been normalised by the media to create a pantomime so we can follow it. And if you don't follow it, you are brainwashed into buying into the narrow band of perfection which makes the marketing people happy.
Some posters were asking why there were so many celebrities gracing the BBC's coverage of the Chelsea Show. I'm afraid, without it, the BBC fear viewers may switch over. That is where we are right now.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I don't care if they all hate each other. The contract we have with them is we pay lots of money for them to put on these shows with golden carriages and smart uniforms and horses and flowers and people playing trumpets, that attract tourists to see the sights and business to trust our political continuity and stability. We buy the right to demand that they turn up even when they don't feel like facing the cameras. We buy the right to tell them they must be nice to people they probably detest in order to serve political agenda that they probably don't support. We don't buy any right to say they look awful in that hat or should really shed a few pounds. We may have decided to make them into a soap opera, but they didn't sign that contract.
Dog knows why I have to keep paying for free meals for the Beckhams though
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I've perused mens fashion/fitness/lifestyle mags on and off for around 30 years, so a lot longer than the 10 years you mention and it has been around since then. We are all, rightly or wrongly, judged/complimented/criticised on our appearance and I daresay always have been. It's human nature.
Where I do agree with you is in that people can be over critical and judgemental at times. That isn't a nice trait but it is one that we all have to a degree (even if we would not admit so) and has been around for a long, long time. I don't see it changing, but I would agree that criticism of people in general (men and women) does seem to be worse nowadays.
The abuse and insults being levelled at people under the guise of 'cultural misappropriation' because they have cornrows or have worn a sari and are not deemed to be of that culture, for example, is ridiculous and a sad sign of the overtly critical and sanctimonious attitude of (what appears to be) an increasing number of people.
Perhaps I'm getting old? Or, perhaps the internet is a breeding ground for such attitudes?