I find this discussion thoroughly antediluvian and depressing, dissecting women’s appearance, body shape etc - Botox and feet? Come on, this is meant to be a gardening forum not the daily mail. I know, I know, I don’t have to participate or even read it but its beginning to really irritate me. Dander thoroughly up!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
I reckon there are 4 possible ways to look at it all; 1 - It's a media circus like an old fashioned freak show and we all get to point and snigger at the performing monkeys in their gilded cage 2 - To quote that well known social treatise, the film 'High Society', "There are few prettier sights in this pretty world than the privileged classes enjoying their privileges" so let's all eat a picnic in the sunshine and watch the show 3 - They are a load of spoilt hoorays having a junket at our expense and we should object in the loudest possible terms 4 - It's the Royal Family doing what we pay them for and putting on a show to bring tourists (and their money) to Britain
There is a 5th option, which most of the English at least seem to subscribe to, which is along the lines of 'who gives a s**t?'. Prince Harry is, constitutionally speaking, irrelevant now that William's had children. (and consequently, Kate's place in Royal privilege is absolutely secure as mother of the future monarch. Meghan will always be an 'also ran' in those terms so Kate is more likely to be smug than jealous.) This wedding was not significant to anyone but the participants so no need to buy a new hat. And we'd probably all ignore them if it weren't for the blanket coverage on every single TV channel and in every single newspaper and most magazines ramming it down our throats. We're used to paying for them and although it's a bit irritating, most of the time what they do has absolutely no impact on any of our lives, so apathy reigns.
Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
I'm with Hazel 1 insofar as I am quite fond of our Royal family, especially HM. I can understand why folks think they are spongers and all the other negative comments they use. However, I fully subscribe to the belief that they bring a helluva lot more money into the country than they take out via tourism and 'invites' to state banquets that no doubt grease many wheels of investment.
Tourists lap up all the pomp and ceremony that is to be found in the UK and the House of Windsor are the very pinnacle of that pomp and ceremony, give 'em what they want I say. I also reckon that there would be more complaints if Henry and his missus had been married in the local registrars office.
Having said that.......why was HM on the Chelsea flower show? I'm sick to the back teeth of these so called celebs........
Raisingirl, your fifth option included " most "English subscribe to the....what the %%##? I am not "most " English and I rather like our Roal Family and all it stands for.And judging by the amount of people who waited for hours and hours to see the bride and groom suggests that rather a lot of people DO give a %%%##%!
It's almost as if women will be judged on how their hair will be, their feet type and their need to stay youthful, hence the Botox reference. Then there is this imaginary rivalry that I think had been pushed by the media for years. Without really knowing, it's like we have accepted it is fact.
OK, I'll be the one to say it. There is one thing missing in your statement and that is ....... by women.
“Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.” Winston Churchill
Paul_in_surrey, whether by women or men, it's all the same to me. The focus gravitates to mainly women, and you have to wonder why. But if you mean by whether there is any kind of sisterly love, I think it has been drummed into the younger generation to be free and critical of others, particularly piling the pressure on women when it comes to looks.
Just take a look at the shelf full of glossy magazines selling voyeuristic snaps of mainly women and endless captions and articles giving running commentary on their appearance and being critical when they need to. The constant promotion of only mediocre celebrities, mainly women has slowly allowed a new generation of people to accept that women are almost like ornaments.
It's been normalised by the media over the years, and now, without thinking, some women have accepted sub-consciously that women in public should be of a certain standard when it comes to appearance. After time, it's no longer that important about their ability anymore when headlines seem to be focused on appearance.
Can I just throw in another "curve ball"? Look at the way the shelves clear of dresses/ handbags etc just because Meghan/ Kate, the Kardashians etc have been seen wearing them. Don't even start me on the ridiculous claims made by cosmetic adverts too. "Eyelashes 83% longer" was one claim which ended up being banned from telly a while back. Methinks it's not men doing the shopping. Just a thought.
I agree we women are often our own worst enemies judging each other on looks and catty remarks about Botox and feet are not helpful I now wish I hadn't read this thread it's thoroughly depressing! It's a pity there is no way to "unlike" a thread so we don't see it.
Posts
1 - It's a media circus like an old fashioned freak show and we all get to point and snigger at the performing monkeys in their gilded cage
2 - To quote that well known social treatise, the film 'High Society', "There are few prettier sights in this pretty world than the privileged classes enjoying their privileges" so let's all eat a picnic in the sunshine and watch the show
3 - They are a load of spoilt hoorays having a junket at our expense and we should object in the loudest possible terms
4 - It's the Royal Family doing what we pay them for and putting on a show to bring tourists (and their money) to Britain
There is a 5th option, which most of the English at least seem to subscribe to, which is along the lines of 'who gives a s**t?'. Prince Harry is, constitutionally speaking, irrelevant now that William's had children. (and consequently, Kate's place in Royal privilege is absolutely secure as mother of the future monarch. Meghan will always be an 'also ran' in those terms so Kate is more likely to be smug than jealous.) This wedding was not significant to anyone but the participants so no need to buy a new hat. And we'd probably all ignore them if it weren't for the blanket coverage on every single TV channel and in every single newspaper and most magazines ramming it down our throats. We're used to paying for them and although it's a bit irritating, most of the time what they do has absolutely no impact on any of our lives, so apathy reigns.
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
Tourists lap up all the pomp and ceremony that is to be found in the UK and the House of Windsor are the very pinnacle of that pomp and ceremony, give 'em what they want I say. I also reckon that there would be more complaints if Henry and his missus had been married in the local registrars office.
Having said that.......why was HM on the Chelsea flower show? I'm sick to the back teeth of these so called celebs........
http://www.newsweek.com/most-brits-dont-care-about-royal-wedding-poll-finds-927030
A lot of those people on the streets were American, judging by the ones they interviewed endlessly in the run up
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Royal-Wedding-Guest-Gift-Goody-bag-Meghan-Harry/352364030828?hash=item520a886b6c:g:yfEAAOSwbA5bB9Rl
Just take a look at the shelf full of glossy magazines selling voyeuristic snaps of mainly women and endless captions and articles giving running commentary on their appearance and being critical when they need to. The constant promotion of only mediocre celebrities, mainly women has slowly allowed a new generation of people to accept that women are almost like ornaments.
It's been normalised by the media over the years, and now, without thinking, some women have accepted sub-consciously that women in public should be of a certain standard when it comes to appearance. After time, it's no longer that important about their ability anymore when headlines seem to be focused on appearance.
Look at the way the shelves clear of dresses/ handbags etc just because Meghan/ Kate, the Kardashians etc have been seen wearing them.
Don't even start me on the ridiculous claims made by cosmetic adverts too. "Eyelashes 83% longer" was one claim which ended up being banned from telly a while back.
Methinks it's not men doing the shopping.
Just a thought.