Part of the problem is that for years lazy politicians and business have, instead of learning and explaining the facts, used the EU as a scapegoat for all the annoyances expressed in the UK.
'Oh, it's the fault of the EU' ... even those in favour of our membership have said this in the past.
Now people who don't do their own research are happy to believe that leaving the EU would lead to an end to everything that irritates and annoys them.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I don't want to get into political discussion on a gardening forum but I think a very very clear and factual short presentation of the UK's real position is given by Ian Leask which you can find on Youtube if you type in Ian Leask EU Referendum. I think it's a vital watch - and clear of all the media and political distortion which we are daily subjected to. It clears the mind.
I'm not sure that Liri was suggestesting that the comment was directed in anyone's direction, just a disappointing sentiment from someone that was making interesting points, it would have been better received without the ugly portrayal.
Thanks Wonky. I certainly didn't think it was directed at me, since I clearly am on the same side as StGV - just think people reading such things will react with anger and indignation rather than being persuaded to think about their position.
Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
Surely the whole point of aid, Doghouse Riley, is not to help the giver but the recipient? Goodness and generosity have always been seen as signs of weakness. I'm just off to church where I'll be singing about a prime example of someone hated for his goodness.
Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
My point dear Lirio and Wonky (that's not intended to be as patronising as I fear it sounds), was merely to highlight that certain types of people (no names, no pack drill) are never going to listen to the opposite view...
I find the layout of the new Forum can be confusing and it isn't always clear who said what. Someone said that giving is viewed as a weakness in some cultures and that "I don't think the aid given to some countries helps us at all". I'm pretty certain that when a mother receives food or medicine for her ailing babies, or an old man is led to warmth and shelter, she and he do not despise us very much. Clean water transforms lives, a vaccination programme halts childhood mortality. Our government cannot instruct India or Africa how to spend what they have and we are unlikely to convert those who believe humane giving is weak, but I am sure those who receive aid are glad of it. Anyone in Britain who has enough to pay tax can afford a few bob to help those who have nothing. I am sure that charities and aid organisations are doing all they can to resist corruption and waste.
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Actually Lirio and KT, I wasn't referring to you both.
Part of the problem is that for years lazy politicians and business have, instead of learning and explaining the facts, used the EU as a scapegoat for all the annoyances expressed in the UK.
'Oh, it's the fault of the EU' ... even those in favour of our membership have said this in the past.
Now people who don't do their own research are happy to believe that leaving the EU would lead to an end to everything that irritates and annoys them.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Dove, it's one of those 'wish this was Facebook so I could click like' moments...
I don't want to get into political discussion on a gardening forum but I think a very very clear and factual short presentation of the UK's real position is given by Ian Leask which you can find on Youtube if you type in Ian Leask EU Referendum. I think it's a vital watch - and clear of all the media and political distortion which we are daily subjected to. It clears the mind.
I'm not sure that Liri was suggestesting that the comment was directed in anyone's direction, just a disappointing sentiment from someone that was making interesting points, it would have been better received without the ugly portrayal.
Thanks Wonky. I certainly didn't think it was directed at me, since I clearly am on the same side as StGV - just think people reading such things will react with anger and indignation rather than being persuaded to think about their position.
Surely the whole point of aid, Doghouse Riley, is not to help the giver but the recipient? Goodness and generosity have always been seen as signs of weakness. I'm just off to church where I'll be singing about a prime example of someone hated for his goodness.
My point dear Lirio and Wonky (that's not intended to be as patronising as I fear it sounds), was merely to highlight that certain types of people (no names, no pack drill) are never going to listen to the opposite view...
I find the layout of the new Forum can be confusing and it isn't always clear who said what. Someone said that giving is viewed as a weakness in some cultures and that "I don't think the aid given to some countries helps us at all". I'm pretty certain that when a mother receives food or medicine for her ailing babies, or an old man is led to warmth and shelter, she and he do not despise us very much. Clean water transforms lives, a vaccination programme halts childhood mortality. Our government cannot instruct India or Africa how to spend what they have and we are unlikely to convert those who believe humane giving is weak, but I am sure those who receive aid are glad of it. Anyone in Britain who has enough to pay tax can afford a few bob to help those who have nothing. I am sure that charities and aid organisations are doing all they can to resist corruption and waste.
Exactly Posy.