I hear a lot of scaremongering about how we will be responsible for world war 3 if we don't stay in. I think that WW3 may happen, us being in or out will make no difference. We are still part of Nato.
I voted for a common market of a few healthy economies, not for a United States of Europe, with us subsidising all the poor relations in the rest of Europe. Letting in Albania,Macedonia, Bosnia and Turkey is only going to add to the influx of economic migrants , that will change the atmosphere in this country forever.
I hear farmers wondering about their subsidy.. cut out the middleman. Instead of us sending money to Brussels, some of it coming back, pay it direct.
Give us back our fishing grounds and let the English fishermen have a living back. British fish stocks are best managed by the British, not spanish megatrawlers with undersized nets.
A little ex mining town called Shirebrook has been in the news recently. My mother and her parents were born there. My grandmother used to work in the Station hotel. I have worked in the town. Now you don't hear anyone speaking English. It is like little Poland because Sports Direct employs so many Polish on minimum wage zero hours contracts, the locals don't get a look in. When Sports direct got major grants to build the warehouse,a lot of the mining community thought work would be available for locals, not import cheap labour from Poland.
Everyone I speak to in this area are voting OUT.
Lets put the Great back in Britain again, Independance day is coming.
Yesterday the family landed dogs and all amid the munching of plates of sandwiches and oceans of tea plus the usual happy back chat I could see my 14 year old grandson looking pensive, I can read him like a book and he and I communicate without speaking, surrounded by women we have to.
Sitting next to me he asked my thoughts on Exit, the school he attends have split the pupils in groups to make a case for against or an in between solution. For a month he had read up everything he could and listened to the pundits for each. His first remarks were they are all telling lies, they do not know cannot forecast what would happen. They dangle three hundred and fifty billion in front of our eye's when the actual cost is one seventh of that and that against the gross national product is a flea bite. The EU have been very good to our farmers heavy industry and even more so to light industry. Our exports are less to the EU than the gross export yet would take a lot of making up should we leave. Our old trading partners found new markets when we dumped them to join the EU. America is trying to bypass us in agreements for a North Atlantic trade pact. I sat amazed listening to this and laughed when he said France would love us out as we export meat and other products that their farmers think they should have. That old ingrained enmity is still there in the young.
I asked how would you vote, he said IN, why, this is my world granddad I have to live in it and progress, you were once out of it what was that like. Well son we lost our Heavy industry saw Chemicals car building boat building disappear and what is left could go again. We have banking and all know what a mess that is, interest rates at the time were in the teens, wages restricted, each Government worse than the other, a black cloud was coming down on my head. You saw the cold war Granddad yes it was often hotter than people knew and although we were NATO it was made up from many countries it would not have happened had those countries not agreed to put armed forces up front.
Immigration said Matthew this country was made from immigrants, Anglo's Vikings French, Dutch thousands of Poles Chek's German POW's who could not go home after the war and many from the west indies India Pakistan, many hospitals would close without immigrants and what is a few hundred thousand in a population of 66 Million.
Knowing I was wobbling he asked my opinion, what could I say it is his world mine is nearly gone, it is his future and for a fourteen year old boy to have researched it so well he has to present it at school yet I changed to an IN and that is how I will vote. My Grandson amazed me with his knowledge and thoughts on the EU, I think together is better, the way to change things is being on the committee changing it from the inside, in three years time it will be all change as the EU countries hold elections we will see.
I'm a stayer. Don't normally get involved in this type of thread as people's opinions are their own but thought I'd raise my head. Interestingly, I asked two of my friends what they would do and they said they would vote to stay too. ?
why is that everything the "leave" people don't like the sound of, they call it " scaremongering"? Why not refute it with facts, not just the default option of " that's just scaremongering"?
The YES campaign in Scotland took the same " scaremongering / Westminster interference" and look where that got them.
I don't normally partake in political threads but I'll make an exception just this once . I'm IN (as are the majority of my family and friends) yes the EU needs drastic reform but in my opinion it will be better to be apart of that than not.
anyone who thinks we can re-negotiate with 23 former members and get a deal which is even as good as we have now, is delusional.
They'll shaft us at every opportunity, individually and collectively, and I certainly wouldn't like to be a lorry driver trying to come back through Calais with a perishable cargo.
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I hear a lot of scaremongering about how we will be responsible for world war 3 if we don't stay in. I think that WW3 may happen, us being in or out will make no difference. We are still part of Nato.
I voted for a common market of a few healthy economies, not for a United States of Europe, with us subsidising all the poor relations in the rest of Europe. Letting in Albania,Macedonia, Bosnia and Turkey is only going to add to the influx of economic migrants , that will change the atmosphere in this country forever.
I hear farmers wondering about their subsidy.. cut out the middleman. Instead of us sending money to Brussels, some of it coming back, pay it direct.
Give us back our fishing grounds and let the English fishermen have a living back. British fish stocks are best managed by the British, not spanish megatrawlers with undersized nets.
A little ex mining town called Shirebrook has been in the news recently. My mother and her parents were born there. My grandmother used to work in the Station hotel. I have worked in the town. Now you don't hear anyone speaking English. It is like little Poland because Sports Direct employs so many Polish on minimum wage zero hours contracts, the locals don't get a look in. When Sports direct got major grants to build the warehouse,a lot of the mining community thought work would be available for locals, not import cheap labour from Poland.
Everyone I speak to in this area are voting OUT.
Lets put the Great back in Britain again, Independance day is coming.
Yesterday the family landed dogs and all amid the munching of plates of sandwiches and oceans of tea plus the usual happy back chat I could see my 14 year old grandson looking pensive, I can read him like a book and he and I communicate without speaking, surrounded by women we have to.
Sitting next to me he asked my thoughts on Exit, the school he attends have split the pupils in groups to make a case for against or an in between solution. For a month he had read up everything he could and listened to the pundits for each. His first remarks were they are all telling lies, they do not know cannot forecast what would happen. They dangle three hundred and fifty billion in front of our eye's when the actual cost is one seventh of that and that against the gross national product is a flea bite. The EU have been very good to our farmers heavy industry and even more so to light industry. Our exports are less to the EU than the gross export yet would take a lot of making up should we leave. Our old trading partners found new markets when we dumped them to join the EU. America is trying to bypass us in agreements for a North Atlantic trade pact. I sat amazed listening to this and laughed when he said France would love us out as we export meat and other products that their farmers think they should have. That old ingrained enmity is still there in the young.
I asked how would you vote, he said IN, why, this is my world granddad I have to live in it and progress, you were once out of it what was that like. Well son we lost our Heavy industry saw Chemicals car building boat building disappear and what is left could go again. We have banking and all know what a mess that is, interest rates at the time were in the teens, wages restricted, each Government worse than the other, a black cloud was coming down on my head. You saw the cold war Granddad yes it was often hotter than people knew and although we were NATO it was made up from many countries it would not have happened had those countries not agreed to put armed forces up front.
Immigration said Matthew this country was made from immigrants, Anglo's Vikings French, Dutch thousands of Poles Chek's German POW's who could not go home after the war and many from the west indies India Pakistan, many hospitals would close without immigrants and what is a few hundred thousand in a population of 66 Million.
Knowing I was wobbling he asked my opinion, what could I say it is his world mine is nearly gone, it is his future and for a fourteen year old boy to have researched it so well he has to present it at school yet I changed to an IN and that is how I will vote. My Grandson amazed me with his knowledge and thoughts on the EU, I think together is better, the way to change things is being on the committee changing it from the inside, in three years time it will be all change as the EU countries hold elections we will see.
Frank.
Well so far this thread its 14 to leave and 1 to stay, another case of the polls being wrong!
you can get 20/1 on percentage of less than 40% voting remain. Might be worth a tenner?
I'm a stayer. Don't normally get involved in this type of thread as people's opinions are their own but thought I'd raise my head. Interestingly, I asked two of my friends what they would do and they said they would vote to stay too. ?
why is that everything the "leave" people don't like the sound of, they call it " scaremongering"? Why not refute it with facts, not just the default option of " that's just scaremongering"?
The YES campaign in Scotland took the same " scaremongering / Westminster interference" and look where that got them.
IN
When you don't even know who's in the team
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wasn't it IDS who resigned in protest recently over a proposal for which he was largely responsible?
IN
I don't normally partake in political threads but I'll make an exception just this once
. I'm IN (as are the majority of my family and friends) yes the EU needs drastic reform but in my opinion it will be better to be apart of that than not.
anyone who thinks we can re-negotiate with 23 former members and get a deal which is even as good as we have now, is delusional.
They'll shaft us at every opportunity, individually and collectively, and I certainly wouldn't like to be a lorry driver trying to come back through Calais with a perishable cargo.