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I am an ex-pat (wasn't my choice), all the English people I know who live in France think it will be bad for Britain to leave the EU. It will certainly be bad news for us.
I agree with Dove, punkdoc, Steve the vet and Richard H. but I'm not as good at writing my views as they are. Punkdoc summed it up - a united Europe, not an isolated Britain.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
The way to control our borders is to announce that no benefits or citizenship will be given to anyone arriving without valid travel documents and visa. This island has a large body of water around it. Australia had thousands arriving from Malaysia by boat. Some were dying an route because the boats were not seaworthy. I have personal experience of seeing a boat arrive and it was crammed full of people who had been at sea too long, with too little food and water. They were put into detention camps on Christmas island, and vast sums spent on lawyers, translators, medics etc to process their asylum claims. The Australian government announced that they would never grant citizenship to anyone arriving without a valid visa. The boats stopped. The detention camp on Christmas Island is now empty.
Dove - you said earlier today that the Labour Party had always supported Britain remaining in the EU. Well, maybe technically the "EU". But in the days of the Common Market (remember that?) they were very much opposed to it. And there was a time when the majority of dissent over the European project came from the Labour Party.
This is not a party issue anyway imo. It goes beyond party politics: Kate Hoey is anti, for example, as are many Labour supporters at the grassroots level.
I received my "leaflet" today, courtesy of the Government. They will have it returned to 10 Downing street. It is light on fact and long on conjecture. And I still haven't made my mind up about which way to vote. But the leaflet does not inspire confidence in the "remain" argument. Neither, for that matter, does the leaflet I received the other day from the "leave" argument.
The issue about the problems a minority of immigrants have caused in countries such as Sweden and Germany has been the utter failure of the EU to sort out the sheep from the goats before they entered EU countries. If you are operating a free movement area like the Schengen then it is an imperative that you have effective border controls otherwise the chaos that you have seen in the balkans is the result. The breath taking incompetence shown by the EU indicates they cannot be trusted to fulfil this role [ and I am aware that the UK is not part of Shengen], now high up security officials in Europe are admitting that ISIS has taken advantage of last summers border breaches to insert terrorists into Europe. I like being part of Europe, have nothing against fellow europeans, but I have zero confidence in the EU as an organisation, adjectives such as elitist, corrupt, bloated, incompetent come to mind and living in the past with an obsession with preventing world war 2 from re-occuring. They seem like rabbits caught in the headlights with the problems of 2016.
How often do I hear that phrase " I fear for our young people ".
Most of them seem to walk round the village here with a startled expression on their face, staring at a mobile phone, while the Bulgarians, Romanians, Polish, are working in the fields of West Lancashire.
Very interesting piece on farming and the EU, on Radio 4, this morning.
The view that farmers want out, seems to commonly repeated on here, whereas the NFU are apparently deeply worried, about the loss of money from the CAP, if we leave, as there appears to be no guarantee, that this money would be paid, by the UK government.
There is also concern, that the EU would block import of British produce.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
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I have just read all this and want to post to get email notifications to follow it.
I am an ex-pat (wasn't my choice), all the English people I know who live in France think it will be bad for Britain to leave the EU. It will certainly be bad news for us.
I agree with Dove, punkdoc, Steve the vet and Richard H. but I'm not as good at writing my views as they are. Punkdoc summed it up - a united Europe, not an isolated Britain.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
The way to control our borders is to announce that no benefits or citizenship will be given to anyone arriving without valid travel documents and visa. This island has a large body of water around it. Australia had thousands arriving from Malaysia by boat. Some were dying an route because the boats were not seaworthy. I have personal experience of seeing a boat arrive and it was crammed full of people who had been at sea too long, with too little food and water. They were put into detention camps on Christmas island, and vast sums spent on lawyers, translators, medics etc to process their asylum claims. The Australian government announced that they would never grant citizenship to anyone arriving without a valid visa. The boats stopped. The detention camp on Christmas Island is now empty.
Dove - you said earlier today that the Labour Party had always supported Britain remaining in the EU. Well, maybe technically the "EU". But in the days of the Common Market (remember that?) they were very much opposed to it. And there was a time when the majority of dissent over the European project came from the Labour Party.
This is not a party issue anyway imo. It goes beyond party politics: Kate Hoey is anti, for example, as are many Labour supporters at the grassroots level.
I received my "leaflet" today, courtesy of the Government. They will have it returned to 10 Downing street. It is light on fact and long on conjecture. And I still haven't made my mind up about which way to vote. But the leaflet does not inspire confidence in the "remain" argument. Neither, for that matter, does the leaflet I received the other day from the "leave" argument.
The issue about the problems a minority of immigrants have caused in countries such as Sweden and Germany has been the utter failure of the EU to sort out the sheep from the goats before they entered EU countries. If you are operating a free movement area like the Schengen then it is an imperative that you have effective border controls otherwise the chaos that you have seen in the balkans is the result. The breath taking incompetence shown by the EU indicates they cannot be trusted to fulfil this role [ and I am aware that the UK is not part of Shengen], now high up security officials in Europe are admitting that ISIS has taken advantage of last summers border breaches to insert terrorists into Europe. I like being part of Europe, have nothing against fellow europeans, but I have zero confidence in the EU as an organisation, adjectives such as elitist, corrupt, bloated, incompetent come to mind and living in the past with an obsession with preventing world war 2 from re-occuring. They seem like rabbits caught in the headlights with the problems of 2016.
How often do I hear that phrase " I fear for our young people ".
Most of them seem to walk round the village here with a startled expression on their face, staring at a mobile phone, while the Bulgarians, Romanians, Polish, are working in the fields of West Lancashire.
Very interesting piece on farming and the EU, on Radio 4, this morning.
The view that farmers want out, seems to commonly repeated on here, whereas the NFU are apparently deeply worried, about the loss of money from the CAP, if we leave, as there appears to be no guarantee, that this money would be paid, by the UK government.
There is also concern, that the EU would block import of British produce.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
The Cornish view does not appear to be universal.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Farming IN/OUT seems to depend on the type of farming done and benefits from CAP.