Tetley they could both use the ignore button However it won't just stop them seeing each others comments on here but everywhere. In the past their different opinions about growing plants has been valuable, one in the sunny world and one in less clement conditions, both excellent plants men.
I have not argued the opposite; I've simply asked for your evidence since you state your opinion as an absolute and irrefutable fact.
So far, all the "experts" I have read/heard state "facts" that are the exact opposite of those of their opponents. I'm sure they would each swear on the Bible (or whatever their own equivalent) that they're telling the truth. However, that cannot be true; one camp might be telling the truth but which one?
On the subject of immigration alone I can offer this. Although three of my grandparents had surnames which went back to Saxon times, one of them did not. One of my grandparents, though born in this country, had parents who were born abroad. How many on this forum would have to admit to not being 100% British?
Secondly, in the last few months, for the first time in my life, I have had to use the services of a hospital. The people who have treated me have been born in Iran, Ireland, Sri Lanka, Hungary and Germany. All professional people, all completely competent in both their jobs (one more than merely competent, he was remarkable), and all able to speak and understand the English language. And all totally charming.
I can't complain about immigration per se for those two reasons. How the powers that be deal with housing, schooling etc is another matter. But they have been ignored for donkeys years. We had a housing shortage in the 1950s. Schools with temporary pre fab structures go back to the 70s.
Hi Pansy, though I'm not an anthropologist, my anthropologist friends tell me we all came from Africa a very, very long time ago; so, here we're ALL migrants/immigrants.
Those who settled in sunlight-poor areas, over time became paler of skin in order to survive. As we all know, vitamin D is produced by the human body as a result of the sun's action on it. In sunless lands, a pale skin is necessary so the body can absorb sunlight and produce this vitamin. When we lose melanin the resultant paleness manifests itself not just in skin colouration but also that of hair and eyes. Conversely, in sunny lands melanin is necessary to protect the skin against excessive sunlight.
The "white superiority" garbage is something peddled by the repellently ignorant.
According to anthropologists, and to historians, the first inhabitants of Britain migrated from the Iberian Peninsula; so, perhaps 100% "pure" of any ethnicity doesn't exist. The Saxons, who came after the Romans'd left Britain, were invaders/raiders from across the water; they were not British, just like the Vikings. Very recent DNA studies claim that 5% of today's British population could be identified as having links to Saxons. All kinds of Britons lived when the Saxons were ruling the roost here but I have little doubt that they had all originated from somewhere else.
Just like you, three years ago I underwent a fairly serious operation in a major London hospital. The consultant who performed the operation was Greek. His registrar was British-born Indian. The consultant anaesthetist was Syrian and the anaesthetic room nurse African. In the recovery room all the nurses were Eastern European.
It isn't just the NHS that profits from immigration; our universities are full of academics whose parents/grandparents were immigrants; many, many Jews as well as more recent arrivals.
And not forgetting the present Mayor of London.
My observation is, however, people, just like birds, always migrated without the aid of the laws of the EU!
I favour a points system for economic migrants. Those with skills we can use are welcome. Those without skills, especially English Language skills, not wanting to integrate but to create ghettos are not.
Did you read about the school in Glasgow with no scottish born pupils.
Hi Tetley, I've just watched it. Certainly interesting but not remotely surprising.
We've all seen with what contempt the EU bods treat democracies. They're there, it would seem, to feather their own nests, never mind the foolish tax-payer.
It shouldn't be that difficult to become independent again as we're not in the Eurozone. However, I do suspect the vote will be IN, as people tend fear change.
The issue of whether to stay in the EU or leave is far more complex than just immigration, and in particular is about the organisation itself. To use politicians lingo "it is not fit for purpose" in 2016. The mind set is stuck in trhe 1950,s trying to avoid another 2nd world war instead of facing up to todays problems. It is run by people with elitist anti-democratic attitudes [remember Ireland being told to vote again and get it right] and it is noticeable that the Remain campaign have been calling in fellow elitist from around the world such as the IMF to back them. Of course there are people in the UK who benefit from being in the EU but there are plenty who don't and Remain don't seem to acknowledge this. The EU is also corrupt and incompetent [ their handling of the refugee crisis in 2015 was a classic of how not to deal with a problem]. David Cameron told us he would be in favour of leaving if he did not get a good deal from the EU, anyone believe him now? He has not been trumpeting all the wonderful concessions he got has he, just scaremonging along with most of the Remain campaign leaders. The remain campaign is very negative and you can see on this forum when the immigration issue was raised, the implication is that if you raise concerns about immigration you are racist in some way. The issue about immigration under EU auspices is simply the volume of migrants, all other points about the issue are red herrings and the EU singularly fail to show any ability to manage it .
I know little of politics but it seems to me that the predominance of views held here are right of centre, some further than others, and yet Mr Cameron is held in such disdain. Interesting how the perception of the Tory ethos has shifted over the years.
I was undecided until I read that Angela can veto David's wishes or suggestions,
That is not a democracy. Who can blame any person wanting to come to a country that will benefit their family and allow them to have a better standard of living. There are too many natural born Britons who are lazy and do not appreciate what they have.
The days of armed conflict are gone, on a global basis, the new war is about economics and trade.
The large corporations have more power than many countries, the problems in the Middle East are a direct result of economic malpractice, how can the oil price fluctuate so wildly, it's manipulated.
Of into the garden shortly, after Beechcroft, to relax and forget politics.
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Tetley they could both use the ignore button
However it won't just stop them seeing each others comments on here but everywhere. In the past their different opinions about growing plants has been valuable, one in the sunny world and one in less clement conditions, both excellent plants men.
Tetley
Philippa it is such a nice word, I might start to use it
I have not argued the opposite; I've simply asked for your evidence since you state your opinion as an absolute and irrefutable fact.
So far, all the "experts" I have read/heard state "facts" that are the exact opposite of those of their opponents. I'm sure they would each swear on the Bible (or whatever their own equivalent) that they're telling the truth. However, that cannot be true; one camp might be telling the truth but which one?
Hi Pansy, though I'm not an anthropologist, my anthropologist friends tell me we all came from Africa a very, very long time ago; so, here we're ALL migrants/immigrants.
Those who settled in sunlight-poor areas, over time became paler of skin in order to survive. As we all know, vitamin D is produced by the human body as a result of the sun's action on it. In sunless lands, a pale skin is necessary so the body can absorb sunlight and produce this vitamin. When we lose melanin the resultant paleness manifests itself not just in skin colouration but also that of hair and eyes. Conversely, in sunny lands melanin is necessary to protect the skin against excessive sunlight.
The "white superiority" garbage is something peddled by the repellently ignorant.
According to anthropologists, and to historians, the first inhabitants of Britain migrated from the Iberian Peninsula; so, perhaps 100% "pure" of any ethnicity doesn't exist. The Saxons, who came after the Romans'd left Britain, were invaders/raiders from across the water; they were not British, just like the Vikings. Very recent DNA studies claim that 5% of today's British population could be identified as having links to Saxons. All kinds of Britons lived when the Saxons were ruling the roost here but I have little doubt that they had all originated from somewhere else.
Just like you, three years ago I underwent a fairly serious operation in a major London hospital. The consultant who performed the operation was Greek. His registrar was British-born Indian. The consultant anaesthetist was Syrian and the anaesthetic room nurse African. In the recovery room all the nurses were Eastern European.
It isn't just the NHS that profits from immigration; our universities are full of academics whose parents/grandparents were immigrants; many, many Jews as well as more recent arrivals.
And not forgetting the present Mayor of London.
My observation is, however, people, just like birds, always migrated without the aid of the laws of the EU!
I favour a points system for economic migrants. Those with skills we can use are welcome. Those without skills, especially English Language skills, not wanting to integrate but to create ghettos are not.
Did you read about the school in Glasgow with no scottish born pupils.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666452/Glasgow-school-no-scottish-pupils
anyone think that a good idea.? Would you want your child to go there?
Hi Tetley, I've just watched it. Certainly interesting but not remotely surprising.
We've all seen with what contempt the EU bods treat democracies. They're there, it would seem, to feather their own nests, never mind the foolish tax-payer.
It shouldn't be that difficult to become independent again as we're not in the Eurozone. However, I do suspect the vote will be IN, as people tend fear change.
The issue of whether to stay in the EU or leave is far more complex than just immigration, and in particular is about the organisation itself. To use politicians lingo "it is not fit for purpose" in 2016. The mind set is stuck in trhe 1950,s trying to avoid another 2nd world war instead of facing up to todays problems. It is run by people with elitist anti-democratic attitudes [remember Ireland being told to vote again and get it right] and it is noticeable that the Remain campaign have been calling in fellow elitist from around the world such as the IMF to back them. Of course there are people in the UK who benefit from being in the EU but there are plenty who don't and Remain don't seem to acknowledge this. The EU is also corrupt and incompetent [ their handling of the refugee crisis in 2015 was a classic of how not to deal with a problem]. David Cameron told us he would be in favour of leaving if he did not get a good deal from the EU, anyone believe him now? He has not been trumpeting all the wonderful concessions he got has he, just scaremonging along with most of the Remain campaign leaders. The remain campaign is very negative and you can see on this forum when the immigration issue was raised, the implication is that if you raise concerns about immigration you are racist in some way. The issue about immigration under EU auspices is simply the volume of migrants, all other points about the issue are red herrings and the EU singularly fail to show any ability to manage it .
I know little of politics but it seems to me that the predominance of views held here are right of centre, some further than others, and yet Mr Cameron is held in such disdain. Interesting how the perception of the Tory ethos has shifted over the years.
I was undecided until I read that Angela can veto David's wishes or suggestions,
That is not a democracy. Who can blame any person wanting to come to a country that will benefit their family and allow them to have a better standard of living. There are too many natural born Britons who are lazy and do not appreciate what they have.
The days of armed conflict are gone, on a global basis, the new war is about economics and trade.
The large corporations have more power than many countries, the problems in the Middle East are a direct result of economic malpractice, how can the oil price fluctuate so wildly, it's manipulated.
Of into the garden shortly, after Beechcroft, to relax and forget politics.