The TV licence fee is not solely used to secure broadcasting rights for sport. It's used to provide a balanced blend of programming that, hopefully, is enjoyed by a broad range of people. Sport is a part of that blend. When the BBC lost the rights to broadcast Premier League highlights i.e. Match of the Day, there was uproar! By public demand they secured the rights the following year. Most top flight sport is aired on pay channels, you have a choice.
This thread was started to discuss the performance of England in their game against Wales. Why the issue of sports earnings was raised, I don't know. I made a living playing sport. That's why it's personal. You have no idea what is involved in been a professional sportsman but you feel qualified to challenge the amount of money they should be paid. I don't know what's involved in how you make your living, so, I don't challenge you about it.
Millions of people, every week, derive great pleasure from watching professionals do what they can only dream of. Kids aspire to be as good as the pro's. People spend huge chunks of their lives talking and debating about sport. Communities come together in support of their favourites and form supporters clubs. Professional clubs do massive amounts of work within communities and hospitals and childrens centres. I could go on and on about the good professional sport does. For the mostpartprofessional sports men and women deserve every penny they get.
I note you don't give any reason why SOME, I'd say ANY sports people deserve more than consultants in hospitals.
Try reading again for comprehension in context. I DIDN'T suggest you said "Rugby players". I started by saying IF you meant rugby players. As this thread was specifically about Rugby and you intervened with your beliefs on professional sportspeople's salary then EVEN if I had presumed that's what you meant then it wouldn't have been an unreasonable assumption.
I didn't jump in and say when it came to rugby players you were talking out of your backside.
IF you'd meant footballers, then perhaps you should have been clearer. I thought I had said why I thought "some" sports people ought to get more than some "consultants".
But to be clear and for your benefit. My opinion is that Some sportspeople are worth more. Some aren't. Now I'm thinking that you'll struggle to understand the commercial argument or things like free trade or even the points I've already made about doctors and teachers "just" being paid to turn up and having things like exceptionally high levels of absence and low levels of engagement, so I'll try to make it simple:
I have no objection at all to you arguing about sport, which I do regularly and I happen to love rugby.
However when you start rubbishing a profession, without whom either you or family and friends may not be here, then you have gone far to far.
You quote 4 cases where doctors behaved criminally and were appropriately dealt with, however that leaves 99.9% of doctors who work massively long hours, with great compassion and skill.
There are criminals in all walks of life, including some sports people.
I am qualified to talk about this and I am very disappointed.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
Punkdoc I didn't mean to put down the whole of that profession and that's not even in my head. That's one of the reasons put in bold to emphasise the word "Some" . I did that deliberately and because I very specifically don't like this whole notion that the whole of a job category should get less than the whole of another and "just because".
Frankly I wouldn't pay Wayne Rooney in brass washers but that's just my opinion and not born from any sound rationale.
You will know from my first posting on this matter that in fact I think it's just a poor comparison. like comparing apples with patio stones. Furthermore it isn't even true.
I well know that there's a heck of a lot of exceptional doctors and consultants. I've met some of them. I do however think you're over egging the pudding by suggesting that 99.9% are working tirelessy and at the top of their game in terms of compassion and skill. You work in the profession and so I'm sure you'll know a lot who earn a lot more than those toiling away doing what they should. e.g. the NHS consultant pulling off his salary and also with private practice.
So back to gardening...... what did you think about the turf at Elland Road? It clearly didn't stand up well to having scrums did it?
No it didn't NL2, although, to be fair, it's not really designed to have 300, or so, stones digging their studs in and shoving! It always used to fascinate me how they managed to keep grass on the pitch in winter when it was so badly abused every week. We played in winter then, pre Super League. Perhaps that's where the seeds of my interest in gardening were sown! See what I did there, seeds!!
The grounds staff work so hard, they are real craftsmen in their field. Field! I did it again!
Punkdoc, I'm sure no-one would honestly suggest that sportsmen were more important or worthy than the people in the medical profession. They have saved my life on more than one occasion. Not figuratively, literally. They have my utmost admiration and respect. It is unfortunate that people always seem to throw the medics into the argument when the subject of any-one's pay is discussed. I'd see that as an endorsement. It wasn't NL2 who dragged them into it though.
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The TV licence fee is not solely used to secure broadcasting rights for sport. It's used to provide a balanced blend of programming that, hopefully, is enjoyed by a broad range of people. Sport is a part of that blend. When the BBC lost the rights to broadcast Premier League highlights i.e. Match of the Day, there was uproar! By public demand they secured the rights the following year. Most top flight sport is aired on pay channels, you have a choice.
This thread was started to discuss the performance of England in their game against Wales. Why the issue of sports earnings was raised, I don't know. I made a living playing sport. That's why it's personal. You have no idea what is involved in been a professional sportsman but you feel qualified to challenge the amount of money they should be paid. I don't know what's involved in how you make your living, so, I don't challenge you about it.
Millions of people, every week, derive great pleasure from watching professionals do what they can only dream of. Kids aspire to be as good as the pro's. People spend huge chunks of their lives talking and debating about sport. Communities come together in support of their favourites and form supporters clubs. Professional clubs do massive amounts of work within communities and hospitals and childrens centres. I could go on and on about the good professional sport does. For the most part professional sports men and women deserve every penny they get.
Well said Potteringabout. I couldn't have said it better.
I note that Hosta has said he's not "well informed" and thanks to him for confirming that. I also note that he addressed something directly to me:
Try reading again for comprehension in context. I DIDN'T suggest you said "Rugby players". I started by saying IF you meant rugby players. As this thread was specifically about Rugby and you intervened with your beliefs on professional sportspeople's salary then EVEN if I had presumed that's what you meant then it wouldn't have been an unreasonable assumption.
I didn't jump in and say when it came to rugby players you were talking out of your backside.
IF you'd meant footballers, then perhaps you should have been clearer. I thought I had said why I thought "some" sports people ought to get more than some "consultants".
But to be clear and for your benefit. My opinion is that Some sportspeople are worth more. Some aren't. Now I'm thinking that you'll struggle to understand the commercial argument or things like free trade or even the points I've already made about doctors and teachers "just" being paid to turn up and having things like exceptionally high levels of absence and low levels of engagement, so I'll try to make it simple:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/former-southport-ae-doctor-made-9419364
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/health/health-news/peterborough-city-hospital-sexual-health-consultant-struck-off-for-dishonesty-1-6904334
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/doctor-who-slapped-struggling-pensioner-6105243
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11868662.Doctor_struck_off_register_following_fatal_prescription_error/
I have no objection at all to you arguing about sport, which I do regularly and I happen to love rugby.
However when you start rubbishing a profession, without whom either you or family and friends may not be here, then you have gone far to far.
You quote 4 cases where doctors behaved criminally and were appropriately dealt with, however that leaves 99.9% of doctors who work massively long hours, with great compassion and skill.
There are criminals in all walks of life, including some sports people.
I am qualified to talk about this and I am very disappointed.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Punkdoc I didn't mean to put down the whole of that profession and that's not even in my head. That's one of the reasons put in bold to emphasise the word "Some" . I did that deliberately and because I very specifically don't like this whole notion that the whole of a job category should get less than the whole of another and "just because".
Frankly I wouldn't pay Wayne Rooney in brass washers but that's just my opinion and not born from any sound rationale.
You will know from my first posting on this matter that in fact I think it's just a poor comparison. like comparing apples with patio stones. Furthermore it isn't even true.
I well know that there's a heck of a lot of exceptional doctors and consultants. I've met some of them. I do however think you're over egging the pudding by suggesting that 99.9% are working tirelessy and at the top of their game in terms of compassion and skill. You work in the profession and so I'm sure you'll know a lot who earn a lot more than those toiling away doing what they should. e.g. the NHS consultant pulling off his salary and also with private practice.
So back to gardening...... what did you think about the turf at Elland Road? It clearly didn't stand up well to having scrums did it?
No it didn't NL2, although, to be fair, it's not really designed to have 300, or so, stones digging their studs in and shoving! It always used to fascinate me how they managed to keep grass on the pitch in winter when it was so badly abused every week. We played in winter then, pre Super League. Perhaps that's where the seeds of my interest in gardening were sown! See what I did there, seeds!!
The grounds staff work so hard, they are real craftsmen in their field. Field! I did it again!
Punkdoc, I'm sure no-one would honestly suggest that sportsmen were more important or worthy than the people in the medical profession. They have saved my life on more than one occasion. Not figuratively, literally. They have my utmost admiration and respect. It is unfortunate that people always seem to throw the medics into the argument when the subject of any-one's pay is discussed. I'd see that as an endorsement. It wasn't NL2 who dragged them into it though.
Grass stains are not a problem. It was the blood stains I worried about! Less about the washing more about where it was coming from!