It was puncture bites , friends son offered to take her to a&e but she refused his offer and went on her merry way through the front entrance to the property.it has now been said that the dogs left the "scene" in a play full mood , tails wagging normal play antics etc ............so I do wonder now had she been on there land previously ,and come in to contact with the dogs , and they thought she was playing,.?
This time was she running away as she saw my friend with her dogs and she knew she was trespassing , being connected in someway to the police knew she could be in trouble.?
I am now beginning to think there is more to this than meets the eye
Welsh onion you have picked up on a few things, it should be the same if it reaches the courts so we shall see.
I think there are two entirely separate issues here.
1. Trespass
2. The dog biting the jogger.
The jogger should not, unless invited or with good reason, be on your friends property. This is beyond dispute. The jogger was in the wrong and if she had not been there she wouldn't have been bitten. Fair comment.
However, the dog should not, unless provoked or threatened, bite anyone irrespective of whether it is on private or public land.
The new legislation regarding dangerous dogs, clearly, states that been on private land is no different to been on public land.
What may amount to just a couple of scratches on the leg of an adult could easily be far worse if a child or an infirm person was unable to take defensive action against the dog/dogs. The outcome of such situations are regularly reported, alas, too late.
As a Labrador owner I agree that they are one of the most gentle breeds. However,as the one in question is a rescue dog, you cannot be sure that, in previous ownership, it has not been subjected to ill treatment or abuse. Any dog, whatever the breed, can be made nasty and aggressive. My dog is a very strong and powerful animal, weighing over seven stones. I would dread to think of the damage he could cause if he were 'made' aggressive. Thankfully, he is very typical of the breed and has never shown any aggression to either people or other dogs. I believe a Fox Terrier was also involved. They are a completely different type of dog. All terriers have the capacity to be aggressive by nature.
As regards the jogger, no-one knows why she was on private land except her.
It seems to be quite a popular view that the jogger is to blame for the incident because she was on private property.
My view is that we don't know all the facts and probably never will, so to make a judgement is not appropriate. However, I do know that a dog that bites anyone is a danger. As I said in an earlier post, there are circumstances when a dog would be excused for biting someone but in this case I've not read a single post that indicates the dog was defending itself or it's owner.
I'm not suggesting the dogs should be put down, just that I do believe it's wrong for the owner and anyone else to'hide behind' the private property issue to defend a dog with a tendency to aggression.
What if the jogger was in the lane and the dog attacked her. The dog wouldn't differentiate between which side of the fence it was on and it could be a child. The dog has displayed a tendency to attack therefore it's dangerous.
A friend of mine was the landlady of the local village pub. She and I both had young labradors - litter brothers, both lovely dogs, both had done obedience and ringcraft training and had won classes.
One day her dog was let out just as the paper girl came through the gate, round the corner and into the pub yard to deliver the paper. The dog was excited to be let out, wouldn't be called back and rushed about and ran up to the girl and jumped up, biting at her arm and tearing the sleeve of her puffa-type jacket.
Many people, including the paper girl, said that the dog could be excused in the circumstances.
My friend had her dog put down immediately. She said that if her dog had done that to a smaller child he'd have torn her face. He would not come back when called and was therefore out of control and not safe. She could never trust him.
That is being a responsible dog owner.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
A sad story Dove but your friend was absolutely right.
Owning a dog does come with many responsibilities, not least, the responsibility to ensure that your dog does not injure anyone. If a dog cannot be trusted then it's time to say goodbye.
I thank Each and everyone of you for adding to this thread, I admit I started off very adamant that my friend had done nothing wrong but even though I did kick off at stevie (sorry I've shortened your name ) after seeing it from different sides I am not so sure now.and Stevie I tried to pm you but couldn't so I hope you see this or some of your friends on here will tell you.I am very sorry I realised where you were coming from later .
But a few untruths have been added , to what actually happened. I do now believe even with my own dogs that a dog who has bitten should be put to sleep .I am now going to wait and see what the courts decide.
I will let everyone know by a different thread. Thank you everyone .
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It was puncture bites , friends son offered to take her to a&e but she refused his offer and went on her merry way through the front entrance to the property.it has now been said that the dogs left the "scene" in a play full mood , tails wagging normal play antics etc ............so I do wonder now had she been on there land previously ,and come in to contact with the dogs , and they thought she was playing,.?
This time was she running away as she saw my friend with her dogs and she knew she was trespassing , being connected in someway to the police knew she could be in trouble.?
I am now beginning to think there is more to this than meets the eye
Welsh onion you have picked up on a few things, it should be the same if it reaches the courts so we shall see.
I think there are two entirely separate issues here.
1. Trespass
2. The dog biting the jogger.
The jogger should not, unless invited or with good reason, be on your friends property. This is beyond dispute. The jogger was in the wrong and if she had not been there she wouldn't have been bitten. Fair comment.
However, the dog should not, unless provoked or threatened, bite anyone irrespective of whether it is on private or public land.
The new legislation regarding dangerous dogs, clearly, states that been on private land is no different to been on public land.
What may amount to just a couple of scratches on the leg of an adult could easily be far worse if a child or an infirm person was unable to take defensive action against the dog/dogs. The outcome of such situations are regularly reported, alas, too late.
As a Labrador owner I agree that they are one of the most gentle breeds. However,as the one in question is a rescue dog, you cannot be sure that, in previous ownership, it has not been subjected to ill treatment or abuse. Any dog, whatever the breed, can be made nasty and aggressive. My dog is a very strong and powerful animal, weighing over seven stones. I would dread to think of the damage he could cause if he were 'made' aggressive. Thankfully, he is very typical of the breed and has never shown any aggression to either people or other dogs. I believe a Fox Terrier was also involved. They are a completely different type of dog. All terriers have the capacity to be aggressive by nature.
Visit this site, https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/overview. Hopefully that is clear enough regarding the dog biting episode.
As regards the jogger, no-one knows why she was on private land except her.
It seems to be quite a popular view that the jogger is to blame for the incident because she was on private property.
My view is that we don't know all the facts and probably never will, so to make a judgement is not appropriate. However, I do know that a dog that bites anyone is a danger. As I said in an earlier post, there are circumstances when a dog would be excused for biting someone but in this case I've not read a single post that indicates the dog was defending itself or it's owner.
I'm not suggesting the dogs should be put down, just that I do believe it's wrong for the owner and anyone else to'hide behind' the private property issue to defend a dog with a tendency to aggression.
What if the jogger was in the lane and the dog attacked her. The dog wouldn't differentiate between which side of the fence it was on and it could be a child. The dog has displayed a tendency to attack therefore it's dangerous.
A friend of mine was the landlady of the local village pub. She and I both had young labradors - litter brothers, both lovely dogs, both had done obedience and ringcraft training and had won classes.
One day her dog was let out just as the paper girl came through the gate, round the corner and into the pub yard to deliver the paper. The dog was excited to be let out, wouldn't be called back and rushed about and ran up to the girl and jumped up, biting at her arm and tearing the sleeve of her puffa-type jacket.
Many people, including the paper girl, said that the dog could be excused in the circumstances.
My friend had her dog put down immediately. She said that if her dog had done that to a smaller child he'd have torn her face. He would not come back when called and was therefore out of control and not safe. She could never trust him.
That is being a responsible dog owner.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
A sad story Dove but your friend was absolutely right.
Owning a dog does come with many responsibilities, not least, the responsibility to ensure that your dog does not injure anyone. If a dog cannot be trusted then it's time to say goodbye.
I thank Each and everyone of you for adding to this thread, I admit I started off very adamant that my friend had done nothing wrong but even though I did kick off at stevie (sorry I've shortened your name ) after seeing it from different sides I am not so sure now.and Stevie I tried to pm you but couldn't so I hope you see this or some of your friends on here will tell you.I am very sorry I realised where you were coming from later .
But a few untruths have been added , to what actually happened. I do now believe even with my own dogs that a dog who has bitten should be put to sleep .I am now going to wait and see what the courts decide.
I will let everyone know by a different thread. Thank you everyone .
Gran x
Thank you Cangran
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Cangran, I have sent you a pm.
Thanks pottering about,
Soon as I get chance will get back to you,