Dove from above, "remarks about her appearance and manner because she is female..."? I am female too and it is nothing to do with her appearance. I don't like her manner because it sometimes seems exagerrated enthusiasm and that would put me off what she was saying whether she was male or female.
And it is because I love gardening that I bother about what presenters we have. Because, as human beings, we will be affected by who is presenting what. And Gardeners World is the only choice we have as gardeners now. It was much better when there was a variety of gardening programmes on, then it didn't matter so much.
( This might be a whole other thread, but part of the reason why I like Monty Don is he has had mental health problems, i.e. depression, quite badly and he often cites gardening as being his therapy. He is not ashamed of this and it does a lot for other people, including myself, who have had depression. Gardening is one of the best therapies available. It really helps me when there is someone I can identify with who is not ashamed of their past.
...this might be a whole other thread, but part of the reason why I like Monty Don ...
I really agree that Monty is a more rounded character, and I think that this is relevant to how we see a presenter, and relate to them.
Fortunately I don't have the same problems as Monty had, but I can still see many other dimensions in the man, which are all highly relevant, IMO.
Some people criticise Monty because he's not a trained horticulturalist. He has a degree in literature. But this is the whole point. Gardening is not just about raising plants. Many presenters are plantsmen/women and nothing more. For me, that's woefully inadequate.
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: #eeeeee;">"And as for GW - that's why there are several presenters, each playing to their strengths - the snide comments about Monty Don's 'acre's smack of nothing short of jealousy to me."
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: #eeeeee;">I was NOT making snide comments about Monty Don. I was just saying who I preffered as a presenter. I am also not jealous of Monty's garden - I would just like to see more for people with tiny gardens like me. I like Gardener's World and my Sky box is set to record the whole series in case I don't get to see it on Fridays.
Kathy- you seemed to have copied and pasted which for some reason doesn't work on this site-far better to use the quote option when replying to comments.
Dove from above, "remarks about her appearance and manner because she is female..."? I am female too and it is nothing to do with her appearance. ....."
But her smile and enthusiastic gestures are part of her appearance aren't they? And it is not just men but also women who criticise women for their appearance. Look at the sort of criticism female newsreaders/interviewers still get - it's never about technical stuff or their knowledge of their subject, it's about their appearance/manner.
It's such a shame when we can't see past little personal prejudices to get the information we want.
And when did we ever have 'a variety of gardening programmes'?
And I was not referring specifically to any post on this thread - rather I was referring to the ongoing unpleasant targetting of Monty Don as presenter of Gardeners World that seem to have migrated here from the BBC Gardening Messageboard.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Years ago we had a few choices of programmes because channel 4 used to run a show that was narrated by Hannah Gordon but the features were presented by RHS gardeners from the various RHS gardens round the country. That was a very good show as all the gardeners were experts in their fields (excuse the pun!) i.e. one did fruit, another did pruning etc. There were also programmes by people like Geoffrey Smith and Stefan Buszaski on occasionally. I think that we don't get enough gardening progs because it's seen as something 'older' people do which is blatantly untrue (I've been gardening since I was 20)but TV producers are all so young these days that they don't have the quality of life experience necessary to know what's what in terms of the kinds of programming people really want. This is why we have wall to wall so-called 'reality' TV. They don't have the imagination to give us anything else. I don't know why they can't repeat some of the old shows that were around 15-20 years ago after all they repeat everything else ad infinitum
I find Beechgrove far more informative than GW more so with the test's they are doing this year on peat free compost and different containers to grow tomatoes, each to their own what !
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Dove from above, "remarks about her appearance and manner because she is female..."? I am female too and it is nothing to do with her appearance. I don't like her manner because it sometimes seems exagerrated enthusiasm and that would put me off what she was saying whether she was male or female.
And it is because I love gardening that I bother about what presenters we have. Because, as human beings, we will be affected by who is presenting what. And Gardeners World is the only choice we have as gardeners now. It was much better when there was a variety of gardening programmes on, then it didn't matter so much.
( This might be a whole other thread, but part of the reason why I like Monty Don is he has had mental health problems, i.e. depression, quite badly and he often cites gardening as being his therapy. He is not ashamed of this and it does a lot for other people, including myself, who have had depression. Gardening is one of the best therapies available. It really helps me when there is someone I can identify with who is not ashamed of their past.
Oh, "sotongeoff", thanks for the tip about Beechgrove Gardens. I just found this on Youtube and love it.
I really agree that Monty is a more rounded character, and I think that this is relevant to how we see a presenter, and relate to them.
Fortunately I don't have the same problems as Monty had, but I can still see many other dimensions in the man, which are all highly relevant, IMO.
Some people criticise Monty because he's not a trained horticulturalist. He has a degree in literature. But this is the whole point. Gardening is not just about raising plants. Many presenters are plantsmen/women and nothing more. For me, that's woefully inadequate.
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: #eeeeee;">"And as for GW - that's why there are several presenters, each playing to their strengths - the snide comments about Monty Don's 'acre's smack of nothing short of jealousy to me."
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: #eeeeee;">To Dovefromabove
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: #eeeeee;">I was NOT making snide comments about Monty Don. I was just saying who I preffered as a presenter. I am also not jealous of Monty's garden - I would just like to see more for people with tiny gardens like me. I like Gardener's World and my Sky box is set to record the whole series in case I don't get to see it on Fridays.
Kathy- you seemed to have copied and pasted which for some reason doesn't work on this site-far better to use the quote option when replying to comments.
Thanks sotongeoff, I wondered why it did that. It was OK before I pressed the submit button
With no preview option or edit facilty this is getting to be a pain
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Years ago we had a few choices of programmes because channel 4 used to run a show that was narrated by Hannah Gordon but the features were presented by RHS gardeners from the various RHS gardens round the country. That was a very good show as all the gardeners were experts in their fields (excuse the pun!) i.e. one did fruit, another did pruning etc. There were also programmes by people like Geoffrey Smith and Stefan Buszaski on occasionally. I think that we don't get enough gardening progs because it's seen as something 'older' people do which is blatantly untrue (I've been gardening since I was 20)but TV producers are all so young these days that they don't have the quality of life experience necessary to know what's what in terms of the kinds of programming people really want. This is why we have wall to wall so-called 'reality' TV. They don't have the imagination to give us anything else. I don't know why they can't repeat some of the old shows that were around 15-20 years ago after all they repeat everything else ad infinitum
I find Beechgrove far more informative than GW more so with the test's they are doing this year on peat free compost and different containers to grow tomatoes, each to their own what !