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  • Ceres said:
    Now I could take the attitude that by the time it gets really bad I'll be too old for it to have that much impact on the rest of my life. But, as the generation with the most responsibility for making this mess of the planet, I want to try my best to make amends.
    Sadly this mess is not the work of one generation. This goes back to the dawn of the Industrial Revolution and the realisation that life could be better, though possibly only for the ones making all the money out of it. After a couple of centuries of progress in the standard of living and in the health of the population, no-one sought to question if what we were doing was the right thing as it had become normalised. Even in gardening......think of all the vile chemicals that we now realise are awful but which were sprayed around with reckless abandon by anyone who could get their hands on a vat of poison.
    I guess the mess is like a spot. It's been growing and growing under the surface ever since Trevithick and his like decided to harness the kettle, and in the last few decades has emerged into the light and is ready to burst over all of us.
    We need to question everything. When a product is encased in plastic, what happens to the wrapping? When we buy a plant from the garden centre, how and where was it grown? Drugs. What happens to the residue when it reaches the treatment plant? Until we get the answers to the questions and are able to act on them, we aren't going to solve the problems of pollution, climate change, and the way the oceans behave. Everything is connected.
    This really chimes as true, with me.  Thankyou @Ceres .
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  • McRazz said:
    https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2024/02/new-study-suggests-the-atlantic-overturning-circulation-amoc-is-on-tipping-course/


    I was wondering if anyone is planning to make any changes in gardening, e.g. not 'throwing all eggs in one basket' and trying things like zoning their gardens/allotments, or diversifying what they grow, so that all might not be lost.

    It is a tall order though, we now seem to get too much heat, cold, precipitation, dryness, etc at the wrong times in the growing cycle.

    This comment sums it up perfectly to me. We can try to adapt, as i am doing in my garden, but the biggest challenge is the extremes coming at the wrong times; Droughts in the early spring, prolonged rains in midsummer, heatwaves in the autumn, wetter, milder winters - (This was 2023 by the way!) - 

    And every year the challenge is different! 

    Theres no basket for the eggs to go in, they're just rolling about on the worktop slowly dropping off onto the floor!
    Yes! It is bad for gardeners. Are farmers better able to cope? How will farmers and food production cope?  I am wondering if indoor growing and hydroponics etc might become more likely due to the erratic weather and 'climates'.
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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    KT53 said:
    I've had plants that supposedly thrive in cool, damp and shady conditions, along with plants which like full sun, die in the past couple of years.  All have survived for at least 10 years since the garden was remodelled.  What can I replace them with, other than plastic plants.  With my luck they would melt!

    I would think the question is more the substrate than the plants.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited 12 February
    punkdoc said:
     the Saturday Times piece paints a rather different picture... Its conclusion seems to be: it is unlikely, and if it does happen it will be in the far different future.
    It is interesting how you can get such different conclusions when both pieces are referencing the same report.

    Surely the Times has always taken a climate-skeptical stance, like the Telegraph - that deep climate concern is for hand-wringing, middle class, hippie eco-warriors. The papers tend to play down the need for any interventionist policies - as right-wing, small-state-supporting defenders of the status quo.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    punkdoc said:
    Having read the Guardians report on this, I have now read the Saturday Times piece which paints a rather different picture, whilst still recognising that it is a potential problem. Its conclusion seems to be: it is unlikely, and if it does happen it will be in the far different future.
    It is interesting how you can get such different conclusions when both pieces are referencing the same report.


    Therein lies the problem.  Ask 2 different experts to interpret results and you will more than likely get 3 different conclusions.
  • nutcutletnutcutlet Posts: 27,445
    Unfortunately no UK govt or opposition parties ever mention the possibility of Assisted Death legislation.  Whilst there are undoubtedly problems ( greedy relatives ? ), I suspect there are people who would wish to take advantage of such a system here rather than having to travel to another country.  I know we have DNR options but that isn't quite the same thing.
    Politicians are too worried about their popularity ratings to risk raising this subject.  If this is deemed Political and wiped out so be it but politicians are the only ones who can make the change. 
      
    I'd be up for this any time when I can't live my life as I wish


    In the sticks near Peterborough
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    One of the biggest issues with Assisted Death in the UK, has been that the medical profession have always been against it. However this view is now changing and polls of drs. suggest there may soon be a majority in favour. When this happens there will probably be a shift in governmental thinking.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    KT53 said:

    Therein lies the problem. 
    It's not a problem, it's science, as long as the scientists are speaking from a neutral point of view, based on presented data and as unbiased as they can get. The new report on AMOC has just come out.

    Political spin from newspapers is another thing.

  • McRazzMcRazz Posts: 440
    McRazz said:
    A useful link for you all when coming up against articles such as WP...



    I thought I understood, but now think I need a little clue to be sure, @McRazz 😊
    Just copy and paste link of paywalled article into "My url is alive and I want to archive its content" to view
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    ooo, that's clever. Thanks
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