Temps in the south and east have been low compared to north and west Tack.. was an overcast day today with relatively mild temps.. here too most of them have retained their leaves well..
Anyone pruning their Floribundas and HTs different to Shrubs/ DAs?
Part of me feels I should do it the same (did that last year), whilst Peter Beale's site say that they should be hard pruned..
I prune the HTs harder than the others. Interested to hear whether floribundas should be dealt with more severely, I didn't make a very conscious decision to prune them lightly but just did.
Problem arises when non Austins are sold as HT's/ Shrubs.. for eg; Domaine de Chantily is being mentioned as HT/ Shrub, and that is not very convenient when you decide to prune them.. same goes with Henri Delbard, Soul, etc where the habit is more arching with clusters of flowers than the single stem with flower at end like most HTs/ Meiland ones..
As ever the advice varies, but the general rule oft quoted is prune HTs back hard to around 6” and floribundas to 12” - or by 3/4 and half respectively. So overall, a bit harder than you would normally prune shrubs. I think harder pruning is helpful in early years at least, to encourage basal growth and bushier roses.
However, I’m a great believer in knowing the rules and then breaking them! I prefer to look at what each roses actually needs/what I want it to do. I tend to be less severe with floribundas if they are well-branched with a good shape, but have pruned back my Julia Childs to 12” this year since they were beginning to look a bit leggy.
@cooldoc yeah, there is so much blurring of boundaries with modern breeding, what with some HTs looking more shrub-like and vice-versa, some are hard to categorise. I think in those cases just go with your gut
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
OK, the bullet has been bitten and the roses are in...
They are in 3 mtrs apart and are now down to three - ZD - MAC - ZD. Planted 45cm from the wall with a soil/compost/manure mix (1:1:1) using Mycorrhizal Fungi and slightly angled towards the wall. Hope that's all a OK, as they are in now! The 2nd MAC has been potted up and I'll find a good home somewhere (I do have a north facing wall that is about 8-10 mtrs tall by about 15-20 mtrs wide, on a slope so it does drain well, that might work, but I would need to dig out two Cotoneasters, but to be honest they do nothing to or for me).
My next question regarding the ZD - MAC - ZD just planted. Do I need to prune them a little once planted? If yes, by how much?
Here's today's pictures (Pic 1 & 3 are the ZD and 2 is the MAC)
I bought a weeping standard from Styles last winter and they pretty much say "trim lightly only, check for dieback, prune to shape" @Nollie
Just succumbed to Trevor White's potted rose sale- a white patio climber called Eise and a red climber, Grand Award. I think Trevor is going to be named in my divorce papers at this rate.🤷🏻♀️
@zugeniehttps://www.davidaustinroses.co.uk/blogs/news/tagged/rose-care you could find similar instructions from other major suppliers as well.. Old 'Shrub' roses can be pruned similar to Austins I think.. however I have not had much experience to say for sure.. you could find similar advice on youtube.. mind you most vids are from growers from US..
@WhereAreMySecateurs I was searching for a rose the other day in this forum and saw one of your posts from October.. saying that's it for you this year.. but that was 2022, now its 2023.. so enjoy
@PeterAberdeen They look ok. I would have planted them a little deeper but not to worry, no need to start again after all the work.. The first one in particular would benefit from a thick surface mulch [no manure] up to the graft, as there's a fair bit of trunk above soil there.. The mulching can wait until Spring, after feeding, if preferred..
As for pruning, I would just leave them be and see how they grow this summer..
Hope you can accommodate the other MAC somewhere... too good not to have..
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Anyone pruning their Floribundas and HTs different to Shrubs/ DAs?
Part of me feels I should do it the same (did that last year), whilst Peter Beale's site say that they should be hard pruned..
However, I’m a great believer in knowing the rules and then breaking them! I prefer to look at what each roses actually needs/what I want it to do. I tend to be less severe with floribundas if they are well-branched with a good shape, but have pruned back my Julia Childs to 12” this year since they were beginning to look a bit leggy.
@cooldoc yeah, there is so much blurring of boundaries with modern breeding, what with some HTs looking more shrub-like and vice-versa, some are hard to categorise. I think in those cases just go with your gut
PS., the canes are only there as markers.
if anyone can share a good video or article on training/pruning climbing roses I would really appreciate it!
Just succumbed to Trevor White's potted rose sale- a white patio climber called Eise and a red climber, Grand Award. I think Trevor is going to be named in my divorce papers at this rate.🤷🏻♀️
If you have a rose in particular, you can always ask here too.. it helps if we know the name of it..
you could find similar instructions from other major suppliers as well.. Old 'Shrub' roses can be pruned similar to Austins I think.. however I have not had much experience to say for sure.. you could find similar advice on youtube.. mind you most vids are from growers from US..
@WhereAreMySecateurs I was searching for a rose the other day in this forum and saw one of your posts from October.. saying that's it for you this year.. but that was 2022, now its 2023.. so enjoy
something which I did not find on the regular offer page.. or may be I missed it.. will post it anyways to tempt my fellow rosarians..
https://www.trevorwhiteroses.co.uk/shop/climbing-roses/marechal-niel/
They look ok. I would have planted them a little deeper but not to worry, no need to start again after all the work..
The first one in particular would benefit from a thick surface mulch [no manure] up to the graft, as there's a fair bit of trunk above soil there..
The mulching can wait until Spring, after feeding, if preferred..
As for pruning, I would just leave them be and see how they grow this summer..
Hope you can accommodate the other MAC somewhere... too good not to have..