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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    All utilities should be under State ownership.
    Aren't you rather worried that the Chinese could own our nuclear power stations?
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Perhaps the government could buy them back for what was paid for them. The utility companies have made more than enough profit in the intervening period and if they didn't, they should have .
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • YviestevieYviestevie Posts: 7,066
    Agreed about state ownership of utilities.  It's a disgrace that they were sold off.
    Hi from Kingswinford in the West Midlands
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    ...and leave the country to pay for what should have been done decades ago? Look at the link to reservoir building and see how many were built pre-privatisation and how many in the 3 decades since - and at the same time the population has been increasing.
    The national water grid of for shipping excess water to dryer areas is again a decades old idea (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/canals-plan-revived-as-answer-to-southeast-s-water-shortage-9878680.html) - so it's not just the private sector that failed as the plans potentially pre-date that.
    It's like most things in the country/world at the moment - no planning - no view to the future by govs - they leave it to the market. And as I keep repeating and will again - the market doesn't care. All it cares about is making money.... and water has made money.
    The world is too small and changes happen toooooo fast to leave things to 'the market'.

    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Well, someone has to do it and if there's no profit in it, market forces won't work. The money that would have gone to shareholders might go some way towards the cost.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    The government can decide to nationalis the utilities at a price it sees fit.   Doesn't have to be fair to the owners.   There were moves afoot about a year ago to remove the Chinese from Sizewell ownership - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/25/ministers-close-to-deal-that-could-end-chinas-role-in-uk-nuclear-power-station

    On the other hand they seem to be accepting Chinese designs and technology for new nuclear plants - https://eciu.net/analysis/briefings/uk-energy-policies-and-prices/china-and-uk-nuclear-power 

    Can't see that that's a clever move for any shade of UK government or its people.

    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    It's totally bonkers.
    The Chinese are intent on taking over the world, much like we did, once upon a time.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited August 2022
    No profit in it. There's profit in it - as the 'experts' have been saying. They build the reservoirs and fix the leaks and pass the costs onto the consumer. There's the profit. Ignore the fact that for decades more than enough money to fix the infrastructure has been shelled out to the investors (probably pension schemes included).
    Dubious, but to me OFWAT should force the water companies into providing a system that works not only for today, but future proof (ie with planned investment in line with predicted usage across the country). That is what should have been happening since the 90s. But as with most of the 'OF' regulators they seem more than a bit toothless.

    Edited to add: And once the system has been brought up to speed it should be nationalised.
    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    punkdoc said:
    It's totally bonkers.
    The Chinese are intent on taking over the world, much like we did, once upon a time.
    And they have an alliance of convenience with Putin ...

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





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