Hosta,I spent 40 years wiping bottoms (pH,dear phone changed that to 'whipping") at work plus 4 kids and then grandkids,plus childminder for social services.
We want to control our borders, we are Sovereign. We must have the ability to control our borders and who comes and goes. (Stage direction - loads of fists banging on desk and drum thumping noises - with 'huzzahs' and 'hear hears' in the background).
...We can't control our borders. Please help us. We don't like the people coming in who we didn't invite - can you take them back? No?! That's a bit unfair. It's your responsibility to control our borders for us. (edited to add stage direction: Loads of Gallic sniggering - images of Monty Python and the French Kniggits patting their heads and saying '..I told zem we already 'ad one...')
Any genuine asylum seekers are supposed to make an asylum request at the border of the first 'safe' country they reach. If they fail to do that they automatically become illegal finincial immigrants. The whole of Europe seems to be more than happy to ignore that and let them continue on their way. Only now is there great wailing and gnashing of teeth in France following the recent drownings. If the authorities did their jobs properly, whereas in some cases it's claimed migrants were actively helped by police on the French coast, this incident may have been avoided. If film crews can be in place to watch people climbing into boats and waving as they leave, there was plenty of time to inform the authorities and have them stopped.
International law allows any asylum seekers to seek asylum in the country of their choosing. They are not bound to seek asylum in the first safe country they make it to.
"4. There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country
Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.
There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
The EU does run a system – called the Dublin Regulations – which allows one EU country to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply.
The relevant conditions include that the person is shown to have previously entered that other EU country or made a claim there. This is supposed to share responsibility for asylum claims more equitably among EU countries and discourage people moving on from one EU country to another. But it doesn’t work.
It is clear the system greatly benefits countries like the UK and is very unfair to countries like Greece and Italy. That’s part of the reason Germany has just suspended the Dublin Regulations when dealing with people fleeing from Syria."
As the UK is no longer part of the EU and hence the Dublin agreement they cant legally call on France to take back those arriving from France
I was driving home along the dual carriageway this afternoon and started heading towards some very dark rain clouds. The traffic started slowing down, which I thought was a bit premature since it wasn't raining yet, but it turned out a few people were balancing their phones on their steering wheels to take photos of the rainbow.
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
Strangely the slogan of " British jobs for British workers " hasn't made many Brits apply to wipe bottoms in care homes. All new staff at Hubby's Home are from Kerrala
I agree with you there Hostafan1. It's not just care staff either. So many jobs where hard work is required seem to be dismissed by unemployed Brits. Shortages in food production, distribution jobs, hospitality all support that view. For year successive Governments have claimed they will clamp down on the "Won't work rather than can't work" but there seems to be very little evidence of that happening.
We want to control our borders, we are Sovereign. We must have the ability to control our borders and who comes and goes. (Stage direction - loads of fists banging on desk and drum thumping noises - with 'huzzahs' and 'hear hears' in the background).
...We can't control our borders. Please help us. We don't like the people coming in who we didn't invite - can you take them back? No?! That's a bit unfair. It's your responsibility to control our borders for us. (edited to add stage direction: Loads of Gallic sniggering - images of Monty Python and the French Kniggits patting their heads and saying '..I told zem we already 'ad one...')
Any genuine asylum seekers are supposed to make an asylum request at the border of the first 'safe' country they reach. If they fail to do that they automatically become illegal finincial immigrants. The whole of Europe seems to be more than happy to ignore that and let them continue on their way. Only now is there great wailing and gnashing of teeth in France following the recent drownings. If the authorities did their jobs properly, whereas in some cases it's claimed migrants were actively helped by police on the French coast, this incident may have been avoided. If film crews can be in place to watch people climbing into boats and waving as they leave, there was plenty of time to inform the authorities and have them stopped.
International law allows any asylum seekers to seek asylum in the country of their choosing. They are not bound to seek asylum in the first safe country they make it to.
"4. There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country
Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.
There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
The EU does run a system – called the Dublin Regulations – which allows one EU country to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply.
The relevant conditions include that the person is shown to have previously entered that other EU country or made a claim there. This is supposed to share responsibility for asylum claims more equitably among EU countries and discourage people moving on from one EU country to another. But it doesn’t work.
It is clear the system greatly benefits countries like the UK and is very unfair to countries like Greece and Italy. That’s part of the reason Germany has just suspended the Dublin Regulations when dealing with people fleeing from Syria."
As the UK is no longer part of the EU and hence the Dublin agreement they cant legally call on France to take back those arriving from France
Happy to accept correction on that one. That doesn't change the fact that a large proportion of those attempting to enter Europe or the UK are economic migrants, not genuine refugees. I have far more sympathy for genuine refugees than economic migrants who are basically queue jumpers.
I think that part of the problem is that, unlike in many countries, here in the UK we do not see care work as a respectable career to aspire to … we see it as a job for folk who can’t do anything else … many of those folk are not suitable for that type of work … just think about the sort of people you would want to be providing intimate and personal care for your frail elderly parents or your vulnerable brain damaged children.  You probably want just anyone to do that job. Â
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
We want to control our borders, we are Sovereign. We must have the ability to control our borders and who comes and goes. (Stage direction - loads of fists banging on desk and drum thumping noises - with 'huzzahs' and 'hear hears' in the background).
...We can't control our borders. Please help us. We don't like the people coming in who we didn't invite - can you take them back? No?! That's a bit unfair. It's your responsibility to control our borders for us. (edited to add stage direction: Loads of Gallic sniggering - images of Monty Python and the French Kniggits patting their heads and saying '..I told zem we already 'ad one...')
Any genuine asylum seekers are supposed to make an asylum request at the border of the first 'safe' country they reach. If they fail to do that they automatically become illegal finincial immigrants. The whole of Europe seems to be more than happy to ignore that and let them continue on their way. Only now is there great wailing and gnashing of teeth in France following the recent drownings. If the authorities did their jobs properly, whereas in some cases it's claimed migrants were actively helped by police on the French coast, this incident may have been avoided. If film crews can be in place to watch people climbing into boats and waving as they leave, there was plenty of time to inform the authorities and have them stopped.
International law allows any asylum seekers to seek asylum in the country of their choosing. They are not bound to seek asylum in the first safe country they make it to.
"4. There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country
Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.
There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
The EU does run a system – called the Dublin Regulations – which allows one EU country to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply.
The relevant conditions include that the person is shown to have previously entered that other EU country or made a claim there. This is supposed to share responsibility for asylum claims more equitably among EU countries and discourage people moving on from one EU country to another. But it doesn’t work.
It is clear the system greatly benefits countries like the UK and is very unfair to countries like Greece and Italy. That’s part of the reason Germany has just suspended the Dublin Regulations when dealing with people fleeing from Syria."
As the UK is no longer part of the EU and hence the Dublin agreement they cant legally call on France to take back those arriving from France
Happy to accept correction on that one. That doesn't change the fact that a large proportion of those attempting to enter Europe or the UK are economic migrants, not genuine refugees. I have far more sympathy for genuine refugees than economic migrants who are basically queue jumpers.
That's for the authorities and the asylum process to decide .
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
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International law allows any asylum seekers to seek asylum in the country of their choosing. They are not bound to seek asylum in the first safe country they make it to.
"4. There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country
Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.
There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
The EU does run a system – called the Dublin Regulations – which allows one EU country to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply.
The relevant conditions include that the person is shown to have previously entered that other EU country or made a claim there. This is supposed to share responsibility for asylum claims more equitably among EU countries and discourage people moving on from one EU country to another. But it doesn’t work.
It is clear the system greatly benefits countries like the UK and is very unfair to countries like Greece and Italy. That’s part of the reason Germany has just suspended the Dublin Regulations when dealing with people fleeing from Syria."
As the UK is no longer part of the EU and hence the Dublin agreement they cant legally call on France to take back those arriving from France
Source : Amnesty International UK
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
I agree with you there Hostafan1. It's not just care staff either. So many jobs where hard work is required seem to be dismissed by unemployed Brits. Shortages in food production, distribution jobs, hospitality all support that view. For year successive Governments have claimed they will clamp down on the "Won't work rather than can't work" but there seems to be very little evidence of that happening.
Happy to accept correction on that one. That doesn't change the fact that a large proportion of those attempting to enter Europe or the UK are economic migrants, not genuine refugees. I have far more sympathy for genuine refugees than economic migrants who are basically queue jumpers.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
That's for the authorities and the asylum process to decide .
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'