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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    My sarcasm was aimed at the simplistic view the Gov had at Brexit. We had already spent millions with the French prior to brexit (see - https://fullfact.org/immigration/uk-spending-security-calais/ and https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/475/spending-on-tackling-illegal-immigration-from-france) - so why on earth did anyone think that post Brexit things would be cheaper? Migration has been a massive issue for decades. Just saying ' ...we are Sovereign. We want to control our own borders...' doesn't make it happen any more than painting '... £350 million a week for the NHS ...' means the NHS started getting and extra £18billion a year (and that was before anything that Rishi then gave for Covid and general NHS spending - the £18billion was a bonus - wasn't it?).



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  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    SteveTu, gotcha. (Did I ever ask,what is your son studying?)
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    He's in the final few months of his PhD in Sports and Exercise Science - his focus has been on fatigue and how/where that is controlled/manifested. IE is it a mental constraint, or physically within the muscles etc.
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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    But is isn't a perfect world - people aren't supposed to drink and drive, or use hand held mobiles whilst driving or to go out when told to isolate or to... the list is endless. People don't do what they are told - hence border 'control' and police and.... they enforce the rules. Given it was already known (pre Brexit) that border control was a major issue, why did anyone expect that to change? Wouldn't anyone have thought the issue would get worse as long as migrants were coming to Europe? It is not France's responsibility to enforce our borders - that is done out of cooperation, not duty (https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/research-subject-groups/centre-criminology/centreborder-criminologies/blog/2020/07/confined-border).


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  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    I'm pretty law abiding. Anyone?? Here's my hair colour,it's not as yellow as the photo,that's my phone,it's not one of those fancy I things. Today wearing M and S they call it "ginger". Used to be my nickname, maiden name Rogers
  • Some folk seem to think that the UK is taking the bulk of the migrants/refugees/asylum seekers.

    That simply is not true

    "...Many migrants already choose to make an asylum claim in the first country they arrive in - such as Greece, Turkey or Italy - and only a minority choose to travel on to the UK.

    Last year, Germany had the highest number of asylum applicants in the EU (122,015 applicants), while France had 93,475 applicants.

    In the same period the UK received the 5th largest number of applicants (36,041) when compared with countries in the EU (around 7% of the total). This represents the 17th largest intake when measured per head of population, according to UN Refugee Agency..."


    If you look here and scroll down to the graph you might be very surprised

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511


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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    That may be so but the UK is a very small island compared to the majority of those other countries. We physically do not have the space or the resources for large numbers of immigrants.
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  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    edited November 2021
    Wrong thread🙄.  Moved it
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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited November 2021
    Is that a true'ism? I thought that when the immigration (pre Brexit) was in the 100's of thousands, that the split was roughly 60/40 in favour of immigrants coming into the country from non EU countries (ie over which we had control anyway, but didn't exercise it). So why did/do we have space for say 120,000/200,000 people p.a.?
    Also if this (https://ukandeu.ac.uk/we-can-control-eu-migration-we-just-havent-done-it/ - and this then https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32004L0038 is that EU legislation that appears to support that claim) is 'true' then we had the ability also to then also partially control the other 80,000 - but maybe, just maybe they were working and not the a drain on social services? So if the immigrants pre brexit aided the economy, why are they a drain post brexit?

    But, irrespective, if we wanted 'take back control' then that was the decision made - and that decision has a cost both financially and in human consequences.


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  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    Strangely the slogan of " British jobs for British workers " hasn't made many Brits apply to wipe bottoms  in care homes.
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