Personally, I think that it becomes a nonsense if vaccination is optional, but then the gov enforces vaccination via the backdoor by only allowing access (or encouraging business to do the same) to certain things if you have been vaccinated. Mandatory vaccination isn't new though is it? When travelling, there are certain vaccinations required to enter specific countries.
Maybe the question should be 'should vaccinations, that protect others, be mandatory?' - but you'd still need to be able to identify those who hadn't been vaccinated.
I personally have no issue with MY data being collected and used responsibly for both my own and others' protection, but I do object to its misuse. JoeX is concerned that govs could misuse it - I'm more concerned that unregulated tech companies already do.
You worry about personal freedoms and you use the internet? OK. I think you would have a fit if you saw the data collected from you. I hope you don't use face or voice activated software - or any biometrics for that matter.
As for the other '...yes, they do say that...' bit, you seem to have changed how you were addressed. You initially said: ''...If I meet someone in the street I introduce myself, if they say “prove it” I say “this isn’t wartime, sunshine”....'. Why have birth certificates, why marriage certificates, why death certificates..? All forms of ID that said YOU had done something. Diplomas, school certificates - they all chart you. The problem is that is old. The data is there now. Sensibly, all that data should be captured by YOUR ID - but there isn't a consistant way of identifying you. Sooner or later it will be merged under one personal ID so your life is documented - and why then baulk at using that data in reasonable ways? You have no say as to how the big tech companies use your data (try not agreeing to their terms and conditions and see what service you get) - and you worry how a Gov will use that data to allow you to vote or not? I think the time to protest was before you got a computer and wanted to access data ... but you obviously feel strongly about it.
Look Steve, we need to be able to talk about the same thing otherwise it’s just two distinct monologues like ships passing in the night!
I get that you are really concerned about data privacy, but this thread is about voter ID cards. Apples and Oranges.
As far as privacy goes, I’ve already said I get it - if that wasn’t clear, I’ll say that it’s my profession. I have worked on programs that analysed our credit card spending, manipulated metadata and created marketing off the back of it. I personally kept them legal, I personally told them this was a stupid idea and that their customers would hate them for it, they didn’t believe me, the multimillion pound programme failed. No laws or regulations were broken.
Voter ID is **not the same thing** as data privacy. It is different. it is about authentication and authorisation, it is not about data privacy - can we talk Voter ID now?
Voter ID cards are just certificates that open doors - no? If I apply for a job that need a Degree, I need a certificate? I need to prove who I am and what I've done. If I drive, I need to be able to provide a certificate to say I passed a test (oddly my driving licence doesn't ID me - it ID's a name at an address only as there's no photo). If I vote why shouldn't I have a certificate to say I can vote? How that certificate is held - whether physical or digital - is just a matter of time.
If I have to have other certificates to show who I am and what I've done, why not to vote?
I see no problem with photo ID to vote, but that ID should be available for free at every council office and not just for a few months before elections.
Already sorted for a good %age of the UK surely ? Those who have had the Covid vaccine have also been "micro chipped" haven't they ? Presumably this included an ID with a photo too ? Not sure how much stuff you can include in a syringe these days but I'm sure the technology is either there or waiting in the wings. Ask any Conspiracy Theorist Oops....... may need to equip Polling Stations with a scanner and a competent operator tho - that will up the Council Tax and produce yet another dilemma/debate.
Veterinary clinics have scanners and animal nurses who can use them … they could double as Polling Stations … that’d save the expense of hiring village halls and closing schools etc. 💡 👍
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ID cards may reduce voter fraud , but it will not stop it. Fake ID cards are produced all around the world. Its not a solution to voter fraud. So one can only come to other conclusions on why its being proposed.
And French ID cards are not compulsory. As long as you have some Government supplied form of ID that's acceptable.
There's even a website that will sell you a fake ID for £320 - £1500. I'm not going to post the link on here to prevent all you dodgy pensioners doing a Reginald Perrin
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
Funny that some people are worried about the big bad bogy man getting hold of their private information and yet millions put all manner of private stuff all over social media, I mean priceless
Given how much data is already gathered, stored and shared by them, you'd think a mobile phone would serve pretty well. I imagine an app will be along shortly. I accept the point about having to pay for ID being effectively a way to disenfranchise the most disadvantaged. I'm not sure that refusing to accept the principle that voting rights come with responsibilities (to prove who you are) is the most logical response to that problem.
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As much as I hate the stupidity of antivaxxers, they have a place in our society just like millions of other idiots.
I get that you are really concerned about data privacy, but this thread is about voter ID cards. Apples and Oranges.
As far as privacy goes, I’ve already said I get it - if that wasn’t clear, I’ll say that it’s my profession. I have worked on programs that analysed our credit card spending, manipulated metadata and created marketing off the back of it. I personally kept them legal, I personally told them this was a stupid idea and that their customers would hate them for it, they didn’t believe me, the multimillion pound programme failed. No laws or regulations were broken.
Voter ID is **not the same thing** as data privacy. It is different. it is about authentication and authorisation, it is not about data privacy - can we talk Voter ID now?
Oops....... may need to equip Polling Stations with a scanner and a competent operator tho - that will up the Council Tax and produce yet another dilemma/debate.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
https://www.france24.com/en/20131016-%E2%82%AC200-for-a-fake-ID-in-Paris
https://worldwidefakenotes.com/product/fake-french-id-card/
And French ID cards are not compulsory. As long as you have some Government supplied form of ID that's acceptable.
There's even a website that will sell you a fake ID for £320 - £1500. I'm not going to post the link on here to prevent all you dodgy pensioners doing a Reginald Perrin
'The power of accurate observation .... is commonly called cynicism by those that have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw'
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”