The “why not” argument to sign away personal freedoms is at best laughable and at worst fascist. This is how idiots think, and how fascism rises.
142 unproven cases of electoral fraud is a frankly ridiculous justification. I mean, how moronic do you have to be to think this is significant at all? Let alone significant enough to sign away our freedoms?
Laughable, idiotic or fascist - take your pick. Because that’s what this is.
'...If I meet someone in the street I introduce myself, if they say “prove it” I say “this isn’t wartime, sunshine”....'
I'm not sure that anyone ever does that do they? That isn't what was being said I don't think. But if you do need to offer proof of who you are - ie to vote - then I'm not sure I see a problem.
Those things I listed have happened. They are there. TVs now have voice activation. White goods are chipped - cars are chipped. Each generation has willingly given up their data for ease of access or to 'enhance' (? spending all day and living their life via a proxy (pun intended) mobile is enhancement apparently) their lifestyle. Personally, I'd rather not have so mush tech, but tech has saved millions in costs. Automated voting? Do I need three people in a polling station checking my details? Why can't I vote online? But how do I ID myself? ID cards are already old hat. That won't be the way forward anyway. You identify you. Banking has/is going biometric, and the govs will follow (wasn't that the point of the change in passports years back - wasn't the mag strip to enable biometrics?).
Yes, they do say that - police, security guards, receptionists, I even had a barmaid ask me to show identification to book a table once. They all got the same answer.
Those things you have listed have happened and are absolutely not comparable to ID cards. How else can I state this such that you understand it? The ID card constraint on freedom is *not the same* as you list of constraints on privacy. Get it?
This started off as a very interesting discussion, which has real relevance. Sadly it now seems to have been taken over by the lunatic[s] When I am asked to prove who I am, it is usually to protect me.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
You worry about personal freedoms and you use the internet? OK. I think you would have a fit if you saw the data collected from you. I hope you don't use face or voice activated software - or any biometrics for that matter.
As for the other '...yes, they do say that...' bit, you seem to have changed how you were addressed. You initially said: ''...If I meet someone in the street I introduce myself, if they say “prove it” I say “this isn’t wartime, sunshine”....'. Why have birth certificates, why marriage certificates, why death certificates..? All forms of ID that said YOU had done something. Diplomas, school certificates - they all chart you. The problem is that is old. The data is there now. Sensibly, all that data should be captured by YOUR ID - but there isn't a consistant way of identifying you. Sooner or later it will be merged under one personal ID so your life is documented - and why then baulk at using that data in reasonable ways? You have no say as to how the big tech companies use your data (try not agreeing to their terms and conditions and see what service you get) - and you worry how a Gov will use that data to allow you to vote or not? I think the time to protest was before you got a computer and wanted to access data ... but you obviously feel strongly about it.
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142 unproven cases of electoral fraud is a frankly ridiculous justification. I mean, how moronic do you have to be to think this is significant at all? Let alone significant enough to sign away our freedoms?
Laughable, idiotic or fascist - take your pick. Because that’s what this is.
FFS....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
My guess is that if I go along to your local polling station and tell them I'm JoeX and cast a vote you're going to be right pee'd off with me.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I'm out of this conversation before I say what I really think.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
When I am asked to prove who I am, it is usually to protect me.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Now Godwin’s Law has been invoked perhaps it is time for this discussion to close.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Why have birth certificates, why marriage certificates, why death certificates..? All forms of ID that said YOU had done something. Diplomas, school certificates - they all chart you. The problem is that is old. The data is there now. Sensibly, all that data should be captured by YOUR ID - but there isn't a consistant way of identifying you. Sooner or later it will be merged under one personal ID so your life is documented - and why then baulk at using that data in reasonable ways? You have no say as to how the big tech companies use your data (try not agreeing to their terms and conditions and see what service you get) - and you worry how a Gov will use that data to allow you to vote or not? I think the time to protest was before you got a computer and wanted to access data ... but you obviously feel strongly about it.